I’m tired of supporting instances that support that trash. Are there any suggestions or even a good up-to-date list available?
I’m tired of supporting instances that support that trash. Are there any suggestions or even a good up-to-date list available?
Here’s a diagram
https://piefed.social/c/fediverse@lemmy.world/p/2258999/maybe-a-better-threadiverse-major-defederations-graph
here’s another
https://piefed.social/c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world/p/2260084/threadiverse-major-defederations-graph
Since those diagrams were made, beehaw.org defederated from lemmy.ml. But they also have lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works defederated so it’s… not a popular choice.
PieFed has the concept of silencing another instance. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown during onboarding. Their communities can still be found in the communities list (if you unblock the instance first) and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the Subscribed feed of the joiner as usual.
Since I added silencing functionality I feel like there’s almost no need for (more) defederation. I can offer protection to newbies who don’t yet know which places to avoid and they can explore the dark corners when they’re ready. It’s a low-drama way to put a bit of distance between groups that rub each other the wrong way.
Good move from the admins.
Federating seemed reasonable at first glance. I thought interacting with lemmy.ml would be worth it to see a wider range of opinions, avoid the bubble effect. It felt like interacting with yet another bubble that hates introspection and reject all critical comments outrights. Got quickly banned from a community with the reason “nazy” after I pointed out Iran’s human right violations, in a post about Iran and human rights. In retrospect those interactions where a total waste of time.
Wait the only thing .ml has defederated from is fedinsfw? How random…
It’s a chud puddle, nothing more. Don’t go splashing in there without protection.
If you mean .ml then yeahhhh - there’s quite a few good niche communities and plenty of lovely users from there, but the crushing of even minor, polite dissent from the instance mods/admins is starting to become worryingly common. If you mean fedinsfw, it’s a smidgen bit too late for that warning lol. But either way thank you!
IMHO, fedinsfw is often a bastion of free speech, though obviously not in its entirety. People are the salient point of failure, often enough.
Yeah that’s been my experience. I’ve only ever had an issue with two people on there, and those were both just dumbass behavior that was pretty promptly handled. Even had some good discussions about anarchist theory (and in one case it’s applicability to the Sonic the Hedgehog universe), which was deeply refreshing.
How ironic that
A NSFW forums’ members can self-govern effectively and wisely,
“Satanists” organize to campaign fanatically for human rights for all, etc.
Biker gangs come together to shield children from church groups’ heinous abuses, and more,
“Modern” gun laws were enacted to stop the Black Panthers from doing similar, including: delivering food to schools and helping people get home safely
“Pirates” lobby with others of differing views for ownership of their rightful property. (v.q. PirateSoftware —knowledge is power, especially against distractionary, contrarian bs like his.)
Makes one think… assuming one hasn’t been coaxed into relinquishing that ability to fail in filtering out our oppressors’ agitprop, etc.,of course.
It’s like owning the narrative is half or more of the battle.
One thing I’d not really thought about until recently is the idea that the organisers of the Boston Tea Party really did admire the freedom and other aspects of Native Americans, hence why they disguised themselves as such. And yet on the whole, like most other colonists, considered the NA’s to be savages, with the implication that they needed to be managed by the white man. But the overall idea being cultural appropriation… like taking over all the desirable aspects of being NA, while acting abominably towards the actual Native Americans.
But the body of Americans fell hook, line and sinker for the Myth of America, so most of us are kind of oblivious about stuff like this.
Don’t even get me started on the pioneers being led by that same golden legend to take over the rest of the continent (+/-), only to be discarded* when the rich fucks decided it was safe enough for them to roll in and take it all from them, whole cloth —“legally binding” documents be damned. 🤨
*: and/or starved, encarcerated, defrauded, forgotten, shot on sight, et al.
Lemmy.world’s is a shithole too, so maybe beehaw is the right choice.
I love it here. We’ve got a relatively small amount of monthly active users, but it’s soo worth it. It’s like a quality over quantity thing, big time. Most people here really take the whole “be(e) kind” and “try to participate in good faith” stuff seriously. Also, the admins are awesome.
I’ve got a whole slew of accounts on many different instances, but Beehaw is definitely my fediverse home and the one I use the most by far. <3
And! Our mascot is a lil bee in a cowboy hat. How cute is that??
Anywho, if you decide you wanna give it a shot, we’d love to have ya! Either way, I hope you find one that fits what you’re looking for! :)
*Edit: There’s something else I thought of that may interest you. There’s long been talk of Beehaw moving off of the Lemmy software both because of it’s limitations and due to not wanting to support the devs/the lemmy.ml admins. Last I heard, we’re just kind of sticking with what we’ve got until there’s something else that’ll work better for us and still federate with others, like Sublinks iirc.
Why not just defenders from them entirety? It’s not like they hold any value at all.
Literally every Lemmy instance benefits from .ml, it’s the dev’s instance. No .ml, no Lemmy.
With the silencing and default-block setup piefed.social has now, we get all the benefits of defederation without any of the costs.
There really hasn’t been the kind of crisis with them that would bring the issue to a head. When there are problems it’s not with the admins, it’s with individual accounts. So we just muddle on.
There are worse instances.
We can’t divide and fight our way to a fediverse that defeats reddit / meta. We need to build something together. Sometimes that will mean excluding destructive elements but most of our energy needs to go into making something awesome, a place people want to come to instead of big tech offerings.
The problem is, remaining federated with them is supporting them, hidden or not. Silencing them just cuts them off on one side. .ml trolls still see content created on the instance.
I see any instance not willing to completely cut ties with that shithole as supporting it. Even in the smallest way.
And frankly, I don’t understand why anyone would NOT disassociate with them. They have proven themselves to not want anything to do with fair discourse or allow facts into any discussion. This isn’t an opinion, this is very well documented. Not only is there an entire community dedicated to calling them out- but the modlogs are full of those asshole admins banning anyone they disagree with regardless if they violated any of the posted rules.
Who would want to be a part of this?
If you’re not defederated from it entirely; you support it.
“Noooo please don’t show me dissenting opinions in my echo chamber, I can’t handle it”!
Jeez, please grow up, your ontological evil detector is completely out of whack.
.ml is notorious for suppressing any dissenting opinion - both users and admins. You really have no grounds to be acting superior on this issue.
No, it just doesn’t accept wack opinions, which is totally fair. World consists of mostly wack opinions, while piefed is created with the purpose of only showing wack opinions.
So when this user doesn’t want “wack opinions” on an instance it’s bad and an echo chamber, but when .ml doesn’t allow “wack opinions” on their instance it’s… good and fair and not an echo chamber.
Hmm.
Yes, censorship is important for some topics, for example Zionists should not be able to spread their opinions. Neither should racists or sexists. Sure, you can disagree with that, but that’d be pretty wack.
I don’t think federation implies endorsement or support. It’s more like “isn’t bad enough to cast out forever”.
PieFed has more of a spectrum of federation. There are trusted instances, normal instances, silenced instances and defederated instances. So it’s not a binary choice.
Yes that is a bummer. I have made a few attempts to limit federation based on what the poster has blocked but Lemmy is quite good at pulling in content that it previously didn’t receive, which works around it. More effort on this is needed.