Very cool update ! :)

Very cool ! Thank for your reply. :)

I know that button exist but you have to think about it and do it regulary. So, i’m looking for a tool that do that automatically. I’m not well versed in scripts but i can achieve that with lot hardship.

I believe lot users not well versed in software, script would benefit from it and it will increase their trust to the fediverse if they have a tool that help them.

Is it easy to achieve that for every fediverse software ? Or we will have to do a script for every software ? :)

Cool ! great this tool exist :)

There is only lemmy and it miss exporting to our computer. for now :)

Edit : i think we can export it to computer

I would recommand at least two accounts per fediverse type (type = microblog, threadiverse…)

So you can have a backup account in case your instance is down. Because currently there is no sync of our subcriptions, follows.

I hope we will have a kind of nomadic identity
to solve this.

Here is the idea for a sync app

@rimu@piefed.social @wjs018@piefed.social a good topic to developp :)

Ah that’s because this post isn’t an event post. So there is no .ics

I haven’t finished discussion with @Libb@piefed.social yet. I will do a new post later :)

Nice find, i’m saving that for futur communication creation (flyers, posters…) in the fedihacks.

For me, there are things where we should not ask questions. For example, in the case of Meta : Authoritarian promotion, Meymar genocide, IVG censorship, moderation moved to Texas…

The list is long and hardly convaince people. But when i tell them, miror what happened there and there IRL, they no longer dissociate computer stuff from their real life. And i also give them what we can do, how to mitigate it because instilling fear isn’t the way. We have plenty solutions ready.

I notice that we want to hide thing from our inner circle. But for thing abstract as Meta, even myself, we would still give their phone number thus giving a way to identifiate us and put us in danger.

For now, let’s discuss on piefed chat. I will slowly explain you how the contributing thing work and zulip chat.

Then you will graps better how to handle the fedihack event. :)

True that. But if no one takes any initiative… normally, I would have used the word ‘leadership’ but it’s clear you don’t wish to go that road so I won’t ;)

I did take the initiative to push and create the fedihack event merely because i was organizing a meeting with @takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr to solve issues with french translation.

My ideal organization is self-management. And also i hope someone can help me, you ? :)

Also, neutrality may not be that important either (bear with me) and the moment that neutrality turns into hesitation it also instantly becomes a dangerous foe. At least, once again, during the beginning phase of any project.

Yes but it is important for this project. I did translation for Piefed, wiki for Piefed, i suggest ideas for Piefed…so i’m not the right person for achieving what i want for the fedihacks. It’s not PiefedHacks but FediHacks.

That’s a way to balance. When other projects will be here, i will fell more at ease to suggest things we can do. :)

Fedihack needs to grow beyond Piefed and reach Lemmy, Loops, Mastodon, Mbin, Nodebb, Peertube, Pixelfed, Vernisage…mobile app, then we will work together, help each other. :)

Ah that’s a huge mistake from my side 😱 The chat is private…you need a link to join this chat…i didn’t check the settings… 😞

That’s the best way to kill a project 🥹

I remember having a look at Zulip while I was on Jlailu and I found it… confusing, like really. People (maybe it was you?) mentioned goin to this or that room, clicking this or that and that seemed obvious…

Zulip have a huge learning step when you are not used as any software. I used so many different software, OS that i tend to see common pattern and may not realize the difficulty for other users.

I can explain it again. The main difficulty on Zulip is moving to the correct topic and writting there. Then learning that you can move your message in any topics. I created tutorial to help new users.

This is probably a silly idea but since we’re already using Piefed/Lemmy why not create a dedicated Piefed/lemmy community as a welcome place while reserving that extra chat app for people who would already have decided to commit themselves a little more?

The idea is good :) i have this community !fediverse@piefed.social and the chat is ready for quick organization. So for me it is enough as we are small. Lastly, i manage too many communities. :)

There is another reason, i may create one later but the fedihacks is for the fediverse and i prefer piefed, there is a conflict of interest. Matrix isn’t good for what i want to achieve. Zulip chat is neutral and have nice feature for organization. :)

Keep in mind almost everything organic starts with a tiny little seed, planted in the ground or in a womb. It doesn’t begin its life as an already complex organism— […]

But that’s the first step :)

I’m trying to reach people, i’m trying to group them. I did my best to explain why i want to create a fedihacks and what we can do :)

• meeting at a coffee, associations…
• translation
• wiki : admin & user documentation
• coding apps & software
• creating new software
• talking to people on the street
• fediparty

So the first thing is grouping us together then you share what you want to do. The general list is ready…Later we can organize more precise tasks for the 7-8 March.

Precise tasks will come later : they will come themselve because we found issue, goal…during our discussion.

When you create a project, a collective, the first step is never clear. It is lot hard work.

The first step is what we do right now, in the comment : we group together, we share ideas and talk. That’s why we created several posts on fedihacks and we will continue to do so.

That’s a nice follow up with the reccuring monthly post “what software feature do you enjoy the most”. It give us some design idea, allow us to explore, get some inspiration.

Once we have a core for fedihack with several people, it will change drastically and self organize. For now, there is just few of us.

For example, let’s take Wikipedia. I want to do a wiki page but i never tried it. I come to this event, that’s the first step. i don’t ask wikipedia what we will do, i go there. I discover how it works then i decide if it is for me or not.

Then someone explain to me how wikipedia works, give me some training then ask me what are my hobbies and invite me creating a page about my hobbies.

We could do a OpenStreetMap session too. You come, tell us about you, then we explain and invit you to map some area.

I can discuss things that need to be discussed. I should also be able to write some how-to (the kind that beginner users will most likely be looking for, not guides for experts which I’m not). But in the end it all depends what work will indeed need to be done and like you noted that would need to be discussed

This part is helping me a lot. :) As i said, the fist step is coming here, the second step is discussion than the precise task will show themselve. Look below, we will slowly turn it into a more directive one like you wanted. :)

Which fedi software do you like ? Have you found a wiki about it ? Was it easy to understand ? Are wiki complex to read and understand ?

I mean content that is good enough to trigger a desire to participate more from other users.

You already know that we do our best, we simply share what we like and think. And you are already understand and trying to improve in your own way. :)

That’s kinda why i want to organize the fedihacks : promote the fediverse with good wiki, good apps, good promotion. Any help is welcome. :)

The Zulip Chat

We chose Zulip for the fedihacka because it works very well for organization.

Example 1

You want to organize a coding session to add a missing feature for loops

• go to channel “general”
• create the topic “Loops : auto-translate video”
• and users can share idea, code…
• once done, you can mark the topic “Loops : auto-translate video” as resolved

Example 2

A user talk on channel “general” about indian translation, you can make the disucussion clearer :

• create the topic “indian translation” in “translation” channel
• then move the discussion there

And lastly, there is only one app & it works well. I had lot trouble with the fragmented ecosystem of Matrix…

I think this sounds interesting and I (as well as others) may wish to know more

Well i can’t explain more than i already wrote…let’s try again 😅

The Fedihack

Its goal

TL,DR : The main goal is achieving an organic collective organization.

Firstly, there is no task for now. It depends on :

• how many people join us
• on what you want to do
• your skills…

What i want to achieve is coordination, teamwork. We need you and together, you included we will share our ideas and contribute together.

For example, for the french translation there are things i couldn’t do alone because i needed another french speaking to share ideas and suggestions.

example : wikipedia & collective CHATONS

It is a recurring event like wikipedia one. They reunite together, they met each other IRL and write some page.

I’m part of the collective CHATONS. We have a forum and a matrix room where we work together, decide together, share info on sold computers, co-organize campain against gmail, share tip on how to present free software to new people…

And every year, we do a camp where we talk about free software, ask users for feedback. I presented Piefed at the CHATONS camp.

Why i’m trying to organize a fedihack

I want to achieve the same thing but for the fediverse. Why ?

The same people are contributing, which is not a bad thing because we love what we do. However we need to improve its development and attract new people.

Why ? If i diseaspear, who will write piefed wiki ? Who will maitain your server ? Moderate this community ? Who will promote the fediverse ?

So i’m trying to create a new culture here and invite you to be part of it. It won’t be easy because :

• we are busy and work on our free time
• we don’t know what to do and we need to share ideas, talk, tell each other : “i can do that and this.”

If we talk and share our ideas, it may slowly clear a path. For example, no one asked us if we needed help for fediverse wiki. And i didn’t ask either. I just write wiki page and that’s all.

Anyway, i hope they will enjoy their experience here. We can’t replace Reddit daily activities, so some community will be missing.

However, we are not Reddit, it’s kinda different. For example, you can watch peertube video directly here. :)

And later, Piefed will connect to Mastodon, so number won’t matter anymore. Currently, Mbin is the only one that can connect to mastodon. 😁

We can create one :)

I don’t care about “changing habits”. I just don’t want people that I care about being exploited and manipulated like that

If ya want people to stop using big tech, you have to change their habits. You can’t change it, they have built their network, found old friends…maybe one day but most of them aren’t attracted by the fediverse.

I want to have the equivalent of LinkedIn lunatics, and personal coaches and all that crap that one can find on Instagram/TikTok/Facebook.

How do you handle this part with the above one (exploited, manipulated) ? I don’t want them. I will leave or ask for defederation.

I enjoy this place as it is. It doesn’t need to be bigger. Once you remove it, i think plenty people will leave and create their own forum elsewhere as we did for Reddit.

You may not like how I expressed my opinion, but that doesn’t mean that I need to agree or comply.

Well that’s part of the problem and i’m just doing my job. I don’t expect you to change that quickly. It’s not my thought alone

When I talk about the shortcomings of the Fediverse and the lack of ambition of the developers, it’s because I’ve already got lots of people in here, but the overwhelming majority of them ended up going back to the proprietary platforms because there simply isn’t enough interests/interesting people. It tries so hard to reject mainstream and “normies” that it ends up feeling hostile to them. The majority of people are not interested in being lectured 24/7 by patronizing tweenies.

Well i had the same experience and i’m older than twenty year old. :)

My role isn’t to force them using free software or being part of the fediverse movement. I present software, show them how it works. I contact association, governement…explain them the problem, show newpapers, present solutions and it’s up to them to change their habits. We can’t change people habits except if governement decide to takes actions to protect our freedom and rights.

You don’t have to take it personally. They prefer big tech, so let them use big tech.

My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view

My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand that the way you shared your arguments/opinion is not okay. It’s not about telling the truth, the truth doesn’t have to be harsh, blunt…that’s a false belief. You can be nice and share your knownledge/opinion. And i gave you several options.

I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?

Well i’m part of the Kittens : https://chatons.org/ I meet people IRL and tell them about the fediverse, and show them how they work, i did 2 conferences on Piefed to newcomers last summer. I also did the wiki of Piefed.

I’m not only acting in the fediverse and the web but i’m also there IRL, where most of people use big tech. If you want to make this place useful and universal as centralized platforms, i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL, not here beside technical stuff or ui.

I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.

That’s nit my point. If anyone were brutally honnest the world wouldn’t be better because you do hurt people. They will stop being in contact with you.

So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit. S i gave you some tips to keep interaction with people and sharing your opinion and your technical knowledge without being harsh.

You don’t have to be harsh to tell the truth.

All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interesting/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.

So why are you here ? What’s the piint of being here if they are “superior”. I’m sorry, i disagree with you, it answered the need of bilkions people and i’m convaincing people IRL to migrate on these platform. They are happy to know that there is alternative to gafam.

And lastly, being able to see video from another service wasn’t possibke before. It’s the first time i see something like this thank to activitypub protocole. It’s amazing. So please stop.

Social media “platforms” are bad by its very nature and chasing this idea that we can “fix” them by making open source versions of them is a fool’s errand.

Well, the fediverse is already beyond proprietary platform :

• IA content is restricted
• moderation action is in the modlog and transparency
• there is not ads
• we have some collective created to make a media network suntainable for anyone accessible to everyone.
• piefed offer other mean to the binary voting system
• maybe people are looking for similar software ?

The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software thank to those many people building the fediverse.

why can’t we duplicate well loved proprietary platform ? We are following people needs and also slowly try to create something different by listening to people feedback. For example : we can watch peertube video. Later we will be able to use mobilizon, funkwhale…

Lastly, please, i understand that you are passionate about it but i don’t want to see this kind of critizism for any software, whatever they are :

PieFed as just a pile of hacks with no serious consideration for the Fediverse

It’s rude toward peopke who invested so much effort and gave their time to build it. It is inconsiderate. You can write a critize but without insulting people and convey your thoughts.

For example :

I disagree with piefed devlopment because their will be problem with activityPub interporability. My concern is…

(Sorry, i’m bad at understand technical detail, i can discuss over these matter)

And why i insist telling you that ?

That’s the key are in argument, discussion : people will listen to your point.

Lastly, the hardest part is also to listen what the other side say about this. It’s very difficult to listen even for myself as part of piefed’s staff. It’s not black and white, there is lot shade of colors :)