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I sure hope these are users and not bots…
It’s from a few promotional posts on Reddit, so it’s users.
Every time I hear “censorship” cried in relation to piefed, I think of the same cries with Voat, another Reddit clone/refuge. It never compromised on that.
And it turned into a (now long dead) toxic wasteland. As that ethos smothered all the interesting niche communities.
IMO, the #1 Fediverse dev priority should be UX that discourages toxicity. That’s what will keep it alive. A militantly, forcibly “unbiased” UX is a quaint old internet ideal, yet it always seems to snowball into an unsustainable toxic monoculture.
So, if piefed uses “opinionated” defaults to stave that off, good.
It’s a good example of the Paradox of Tolerance:
“if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance”
Thank you
Let’s see if piefed is as open as it claims to be. The creator and maintainer actually injects their own opinion into the source code. There are so many deny lists and a social score built into the system.
Piefed is great at putting in new features and making everything pretty. But it’s so opinionated, you’re better off on Reddit, imo.
I’m now intervening as a mod. The povokative passive-aggressive tone you used is a big no.
Please, can you edit your comment and just tell us that you disagree with the score system and remove your source and reddit part ?
Maybe you wanted to see your post removed for proving your point even futher as “See ? Piefed’s staff censorship ideas they doesn’t agree.”
I went to the your gif and read comments : you won’t see that kind of content here. I also asked users to edit their comment, here, when they critized lemmy and i expect you to do the same.
Our goal, is to create a serene space for discussion. Nothing more.
Yes, i disagree with lemmy dev’s political opinions but that’s not the main reason we enjoy Piefed. And when Nutomic asked me to share lemmy contact and documentation in iceshrimp dev’s channel, i helped him. :)
Let’s go back to your post :
- The beggining is aggressive. Are you testing if Piefed is open ?
- The meme link. We are from various countries, so the american flag…
- opiniated ? A software isn’t neutral, it follows our ideas. For example i enjoy the rational discourse toolkit. :)
- Reddit, was it necessary ? Last time i went there, i was surprised by the huge amount of bots and ads…we are better of on the fediverse, don’t you think ?
You can disagree with the score system, the no federated vote…and explain your point, why this and that…but not the way you did.
So please edit your comment and remove those above part
Users can choose what they prefer :
- the way communities are moderated and managed
- their software and its features, ui…
And i’m happy for them they can choose their favorite pie. If you prefer Lemmy, that’s great. :)
I cannot use a tone via text easily: see Poe’s law. It was meant to be informative and sort of speculative to the future of Piefed. I was happy when Piefed came around but this changed my view a little. I want all federation to succeed but having these things be embedded in the code and not flags to set (even though you can turn most off) just strikes me as concerning. I’m glad users have choices though, but we will still call out bad choices, as many do when calling out shitty instances like hexbear or .ml.
I will not remove the source and my opinion on it. I’ve been nothing but civil and understanding in the replies to my post and it’s clear it’s an opinion with using “imo”.
Almost all of these are able to be turned off.
By “social credit” you just mean a toned down version of Reddits karma (that doesn’t track positive score)?
No, like posting a gif leads you to have -1 social score, hidden, because you posted a gif. There’s so many opinions in the code.
You have point but on the other side, its goal is to avoid karma farming and help mods, admins for creating a serene place for discussion.
There is two distinct score : reputation, attitude.
- Reputation is people’s reaction to your comment and post.
- attitude is how you vote. If you do mass downvote, your ability to downvote is removed until you reach a balance between upvote/downvote.
When we post a gif, and everyone laugh, it’s easy to get a good reputation whereas elsewhere, i might post several terrible comments. That’s why posting gif doesn’t credit you reputation. You can’t use gif to bypass bad comment and get a good reputation.
That’s why it works like that.
Personally I’m fine with a comment getting removed if all they replied with is “this.” Sure that’s opinionated, but it’s a good opinion.
It can be turned off anyway, most of the others do turn it off.
His source is ml, you can easily take his comment as malicious
There are dozens of us!
piefed.social’s server is coping fine but I recommend new people join any other instance. Look for one with a rocket or lightning icon - https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser
What do the rocket and lightning icons mean?
server speed
rocket - fast lightning - medium
Hm, I wouldn’t have known rocket is faster, since lightning is instantaneous in real life.
Perhaps a speedometer at different speeds and color chunks (low adds first 3rd is filled green, medium adds yellow to the next 3rd, fast adds red to last chunk) would be more intuitive? Though that could also be interpreted as server capacity if the word speed isn’t next to the icon. Maybe a little icon legend somewhere nearby could help, or a question mark sign next to the speed icon that explains what it is?
Yes, probably.
But lightning is faster than rockets… What? This doesn’t make any sense at all!
Phew. Picked my instance based on vibes alone, but it turned out good anyway. Didn’t even know about the speed ratings.
Instance responsiveness compared to your location IIRC
tfw 99.6% uptime is only medium stability :\
It’s not a technical stability we’re talking about there - it’s more human. Number of admins with SSH access, whether there are donations coming in, if there are daily backups.
Sorry, all this is undocumented.
I’m guessing it’s because we fund our instances out of our own pockets, and donations don’t cover the entire cost? If you’re looking for future improvement ideas, I’d much rather that information be exposed directly, than the word “stability” which implies we have uptime issues
Yes I’d be happy to find a better word for it. Although, with low social stability eventually there will be 0% uptime so they are related.
Although, with low social stability eventually there will be 0% uptime so they are related.
I think that’s a bit harsh. As it is, Kaity and I would both have to get hit by buses for us to lose the ability to fund our instances. We’re both well in to our careers, with sufficient earning power to cover the finances. We would both have to lose our incomes for the long term, before the site itself became threatened. Long enough to ask for community funding if it came to that.
In real world terms, we’ve been hosting fediverse instances out of our own pocket for over 3 years now, which is a time period few fediverse instances can match, and even fewer threadiverse instances.
Which is to say, I think our social stability is pretty reasonable by fediverse standards. There absolutely are instances out there with higher levels of social stability, but that’s not because they have more community funding, it’s because they have more users and more admins, which also comes with requisite organisational structures that lets them run their instances without any individual admins being the point of failure.
The intent of that checkbox in the instance chooser settings is really about gauging financial stability. So for people in your position donations from users don’t matter so much and you could just tick it. I’m not auditing anyone!
Yes, this isn’t a personal judgement about your particular circumstances. The instance chooser embeds assumptions about what tends to happen on average. As such it can never fully represent every situation.
support? backing? idk
Anything less than 5 9’s of uptime indicates a lack of commitment.
Please do not ask about the uptime of my self hosted services.
Oh crap, I was aiming for 9 5’s!
Or host your own on bare metal, docker or yunohost :)
eyyy, i’m one of those. long time mastodon user, but was always intimidated by lemmy, piefed seems a lot more friendly.
friendly like community or software experience?
Welcome here!
Joke’s on you guys, I’m viewing this post from LEMMY!
But…there’s no pie!!!
I wish there was an option for the graph to start at zero. Graphs like this can be misleading.
how so. 2000 to 3000 is a 50% increase. in a period of days. I mean its not like the numbers are not there and the rate of increase for the year before is like 1600 to 2000 so like 30%. for the whole year.
This is the same data, but the graph that doesn’t start at zero is misleading.
The one bar looks twice as big, when it definitely isn’t.
Graphs that don’t start at zero can be useful, but it’s nice to have the option to choose.
I understand that but when I see a graph that does not start at zero I can take it into account. I get you though about best practice. Usually this type of thing I think is from software defaulting to it to avoid white space. At the extreme if you have something that is at a million and goes up to 1.1 million that can be a huge jump for a particular time span but if you started at zero it would just look like a straight line.
Yea I totally get why both exist. Over long timespans starting at zero will just give you a lot of whitespace
If you need to read the numbers to interpret a graph it is redundant and bad visulisation.
TIL I read graphs badly.
That’s not what i meant to say, taking a closer look and trying to undestand it all is obbiously good. But graphs have a big glance value and should be able to convey key information at a glance.
thats fair enough. I get the importance. Like this was to me easy enough to read but I know under different circumstances it can create a kind of mental gymnastics where its like, man, this should not take this much to figure out. Its not exactly the same scenario but I had a park near me put up a vertical map on the mouth of an east/west trail on the south side. The map follows the standard thing where up is north. I hit them up requesting the move the map structure to the other side of the trail because its exhausting turning everything around in your head where if it faced north everything would line up more naturally mentally.
Be ready for many comments mentioning that
Where’s the increase coming from? Users changing from Lemmy or new users to the theadiverse? (I fucking hate that word)
i heard its being promoted on reddit, could be from there.
From reddit :)
can confirm👍
Woo nice!
Nobody loves it, but fewer people including several major contributors seem to hate it than any alternative.
It might be nice if The Verse won. It won’t, and it shouldn’t, but it’s a nice thought regardless:-).
(I fucking hate that word)
Not the biggest fan either, but nobody has better alternative. Compared to Forumverse, Threadiverse is a bit better.
Also a few threads on !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !fedigrow@lemmy.zip
The social web is the grown up sounding alternative I guess.
That also encompasses microblogs like mastodon, and bluesky.
People will think the social Web is existing social networks
Community-verse? Groupiverse? Topicverse? Lol
Exactly why Threadiverse isn’t too bad xD
Link-aggregator-verse
Yeah… That works in the context where people actually share links. Various news communities definitely fit that description, but then there are several discussion communities where links aren’t the main point. Take ask lemmy or no stupid questions for example. Oh, and then there are also picture communities like superbowl.
Lumping all of them together with “link aggregator” platforms doesn’t fit very well. From a historical perspective that’s fine though. As far as I know, Reddit started as a link aggregator, and diversified later.
yea I was just joking lol, there was recently a discussion about how join-lemmy was still saying “link aggregator” and everyone thought it was a terrible description
But I guess that’s still technically correct, the best kind of correct. Still sounds odd, but I guess it kinda works as long as you use the term because of historical reasons.
Regardless, now that Lemmy/Piefed has become such diverse platforms, it’s getting harder to nail it down into a single convenient term.
I think the defining feature of these platforms is the topic focused approach. On Mastodon, you care about the people who write whatever, while on Lemmy/Piefed, you care about a topic written by whoever.
I don’t see why it has to end in verse. Like, boardnet sounds good (in my opinion), board network, because Lemmy/piefed is a network of boards.
Boardnet, doesn’t sound too bad indeed. Maybe you should post it somewhere as a suggested alternative to Threadiverse
Maybe this is showing my age and the association will not materialize in the minds of younger people, but boardnet makes me think of a bunch of old-school phpBB message board forums.
The forums I visited in those days was threaded, with trees to view commons. It was a proto version of the way Lemmy/Piefed/Reddit comments work, you just could only see one comment at a time. I never liked the flat style of PHPBB and the like.
Really? I don’t have any memories of forums like that, only the old school flat threads with one comment at a time in chronological order.
It wasn’t a common format for sure. It was the forums for BYOND, a “game engine” specifically designed to make multiplayer games easily. You could think of it as a proto roblox.
We used to have https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB?tab=readme-ov-file
I kinda like that actually
If you hate the term threadiverse I’d happily recommend fediverse!🌻
Threadiverse is a subset of the fediverse, though.
You still can’t follow a Mastodon user from Lemmy or Piefed. The compatibility exists but is definitely not the same level than Mbin/Piefed/Lemmy
Both words describe different concepts.
Please don’t be bots…
Wtf is piefed
Piefed is a different reddit-like software that federates with Lemmy. It’s a different take on the same thing that Lemmy is providing, but still compatible with everything, so a piefed user can see and respond to your comment even if you’re on Lemmy.
Piefed also has some neat features unique to it, such as:
- a very nice gallery view for image heavy communities.
- the ability to combine comments from multiple communities under one post, if the same link was posted to all of them. You can see an example of that here (notice how the comments have dividers for each community).
- the ability to create and subscribe to a pre-made list of communities, sorta like a multi-reddit.
lemmy with extra censorship tools
Love to see it!
🥰
Love how that looks like a screwy-faced smiley from a distance.
