Then are censures received what “hesitations” means, or does that site just make no sense whatsoever to not have access to censures received on the page where it would make the most sense?

It happened so fast though! (Almost like their only concern was ever profits)

There is such a thing for Lemmy, and Lemmy.ml has a “good reputation” listed on it.

See it here: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.ml, noting the 15 “endorsements” (think upvotes) and only 2 “censures” (think downvotes), with another 2 “hesitations”. Fwiw, PieFed.social has 6 endorsements (all by Lemmy instances iirc) and 0 censures and 0 hesitations. lemmy.dbzer0.com has 49 endorsements, 136 censures, and 2 more hesitations.

So people definitely put censures and hesitations for some instances… just not lemmy.ml. Possibly the system admins are too afraid of being known by the very developers of the code that they are running on their machines to call it out? (I don’t have to remind you of all people that system admins in most countries cannot be anonymous - unlike the rest of us, most people in that situation have to register with their country to be responsible for the content shown, e.g. CSAM). Mainly around lemmy.ml there is simply… silence, by the vast majority of the Threadiverse.

Which matches every other policy surrounding Lemmy.ml around the Threadiverse: chiefly silence (at the “official” levels, e.g. sidebar text on an instance or in official documentation), leaving new people to have to constantly keep discovering what is going on regarding it, mainly on their own.

If you want an abortion, but your neighbor is willing to fully, literally, and actually kill you for attempting to get one, then how do you get along? Indeed…

The above example is auth-right, while tankies are auth-left. The common denominator is the auth part. You either give in and do whatever the other side wants, or… you do not do that.

Platforming the auth-left seems similar to trying to get people to join Reddit. Either way you are helping someone else feed forward their agenda, which will ultimately arrive at a bad ending.

I do note that PieFed is building an entirely new future, neither platforming tankies nor seeking profits to the exclusion of all else. I am putting my hopes into it.

Sorry for being confusing, but you are correct, tankies are not literal Nazis - I was referring to the Paradox of Tolerance whereby, as some may consider paradoxically, when we attempt to tolerate everyone then in reality we will become less free than if we would exclude those who would act to take freedom away from others (this logical principle is often called by the “Nazi bar” effect, where you yourself may not be an actual “Nazi”, or in our case a tankie, and yet by virtue of association we are seen as such by Redditors who might otherwise flock here and contribute much more content than we currently have here).

Edit: here is an interesting comparison to ponder about. In this post (trigger warning: on Reddit) https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1putgx5/lemmy_release_v01915_and_testing_for_10/ from yesterday, it mentions a Lemmy updated version, and do you see where the linked URL leads? Directly to lemmy.ml. Contributions to advance the Lemmy source code are also subverted into use to administer the Lemmy.ml instance, the only way to avoid that happening being to donate specifically to Nutomic directly. Lemmy code == Lemmy.ml, by the very devs of the platform. In contrast, here is another post https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1pu7vkf/piefed_14_is_released_emote_reactions_ai_content/ from the day before that, and its primary link is to codeberg for the actual software, and only secondarily are links provided for more info on PieFed.social. It is possible to have a federated threaded-based conversational platform that is not primarily run and at least somewhat controlled by tankies. And yet even PieFed.social does not defederate from Lemmy.ml.

Almost no instances defederate from Lemmy.ml. And I had accounts on multiple instances that federated with both lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. None of that was explained anywhere, we early adopters just had to figure it out.

And who tells new people to avoid Lemmy.ml in the first place? That join Lemmy website that “randomly” picks an instance for you has even selected it for me, as well as hexbear.net.

Face it: we are a Nazi bar. Yes it’s possible to walk through the crowd of Nazis at the front door to our corner of the room where it’s cool, but I understand if my Jewish friends will refuse to accept my invitations, seeing who they will encounter on the way over.

Tbh I think of Lemmy in the same terms. Like, people contemplating coming here from e.g. Reddit could block all the anti-Western propaganda (e.g. calling for actual murder against us), and find some pools of content that are halfway worthwhile… but like, why would they bother? For the ideological purity of not contributing to enshittification? Anyone who thinks that way is already here though.

Whether facing “leftist” tankies on Lemmy or “conservative” right-wingers on Nostr, mainstream non-technical normie users are going to just nope right out of either.

Just a quick note that PieFed allows you to easily block all users from a given instance, like a personal defederation with no need for admin powers. Your way also works, but you’d have to block thousands of users individually, plus new ones that sign up later.

While in contrast the option that looks like it would work easily, the “instance block”, in fact is strongly misleading - still allowing those users to vote on your content, reply to you, submit posts in other communities, DM you, triggering notifications, etc. Essentially it does not “block” the “instance” at all, only muting communities hosted on them.

Only if Lemmy was the only Reddit alternative. As so many people are saying though, it’s not.

e.g. PieFed not only exists but it has surpassed Lemmy in most ways in terms of feature development. And it continues to add new features at an astonishing pace.

There is no hope for “Lemmy” reaching the mainstream in my mind, but with PieFed leading the way, and Mbin also exists (that sounds mean so I’ll clarify: it has <1k users worldwide iirc), and yes a fork of Lemmy could be created if necessary, there is hope for the Threadiverse (federated threaded-based conversational platforms) overall.

Try out PieFed, even just the sign up wizard will leave you amazed. Donate to both its development and the operation costs of the instance that you choose (PieFed.social, PieFed.zip, several others to choose from).

I never said it was unworthy, just that for whatever reason, people are not doing it. And… it is incomplete? And perhaps “extremely” niche is the wrong phrase but definitely “common” is something that it is not.

Again, I have not asked you to take my word for it: compare the feature sets yourself to see the empircal evidence with your own eyes.

written in Python (which many developers are already familiar with, rather than the extremely niche Rust that even experienced C++ coders are loathe to have to learn)

There are pros and cons to every language. Is what I said inaccurate? “Many developers are already familiar with” Python, whereas many people are not wanting to learn Rust. I’m not saying it’s not a good language (or that it won’t be one when it gets finished), but from the standpoint of how many people are willing to join a project to write code for the Threadiverse, it does hold back feature development.

It is your choice: you could look at the set of features that PieFed has and how quickly they were developed, and you could compare that to the requests sent to Lemmy for features that have not and seem at this pace like they will never be done, and you may conclude whatever you like.

Maybe it’s not the language, maybe the PieFed devs are just simply that good while the Lemmy ones are not, is that what you are implying?

Or maybe you don’t know the feature comparison between those two software platforms - fwiw I included a link above.

Supporting Lemmy won’t do much to help the Threadiverse thrive imho. Instead I suggest supporting PieFed, for many uh… reasons. One being that it is written in Python (which many developers are already familiar with, rather than the extremely niche Rust that even experienced C++ coders are loathe to have to learn) and thus has a ton of features already that Lemmy lacks (see https://join.piefed.social/features/), plus it’s only continuing to add still yet more, on a monthly basis even.

By comparison, Lemmy requests sit for literally years and years, while a lot of the donations, rather than going to support further code development, instead goes to support the, let’s just say “highly controversial” instance lemmy.ml.

Lemmy won’t “die”, but it’s never going to hit mainstream. Visit r/RedditAlternatives in any given post to find out why (hint: tankies, which Westerners do not like, probably bc tankie instances are full of content calling for the literal murder of Westerners as well as the actual fall of those civilizations - for some reason though these anti-Western sentiments seems to drive people who live there away? Go figure!🤪🙃).

PieFed on the other hand might just have a chance, and the dev team is super friendly and highly responsive. At least check it out.

Also, post content! More than most other things you could do, that would help a lot.

This ignores how money donated supposedly to support development of the Lemmy codebase goes instead towards moderation of their personal instance. Unless you want to donate to Nutomic specifically (which has other issues), there is no way to donate specifically to develop Lemmy code.

So ironically the answer to your question lies in the lines that are lacking, but that would have been there otherwise.

Bottom line is that it’s their code and they can do as they please. Meanwhile, I switched to PieFed. I wish you good luck with that extremely slow-paced development of Lemmy, but I am not putting any hope into it myself anymore.

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It would have been funnier to say that you didn’t know where it is. 🤪

I dunno, look at all that the Musk does to X (or better yet, don’t) but then people remain stuck on that platform, held hostage by the network effect or whatever other reason. Enshittification has progressed far enough that Lemmy is not well regarded on Reddit, a fact enhanced by posts talking about it being removed. People may be cutting back on Reddit, but they do not seem to be bringing those discussions here. Perhaps people are discoursing more IRL rather than social media.

…“clean”? Well shit, I have some work to do then!:-P

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