These colors don’t run!
Is this legit? Flying a pride flag would get you killed in most Muslim countries.
Slight correction
An SDF spokesperson denied that the group is an official member of the coalition
Though I am nevertheless impressed.
FYI the SDF is not Islamic, it’s a left-wing coalition led by Kurdish people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_ForcesThat is cool. Generally being in an Islamic region is threatening but these are militias, not exactly lynchable.
A ‘left-wing’ coalition that worked with the US to undermine the Syrian government, and then got wrecked by the ISIL splinter group that came to power. But I don’t think they had much of a choice in the matter.
Yeah, Assad was such a great guy and should totally still be in power
No no he had weapons of mass destruction (source: US) and Syria needs
democracystability. Don’t look too deep into the history of the new puppet, I mean, president.Yeah, Assad definitely wasn’t a puppet. The massive russian base and the fact he fled straight to russia was just a coincidence. His legacy of torture and secret prisons was totally just western propaganda too, they were actually wellness spas.
This is mostly a myth based on Saudi Arabia and Wahhabist extremists. Most Muslim countries have explicit protections for specific letters in LGBTQ, and then its down to local (usually hyperlocal) culture for the rest. Generally speaking (because ‘Muslim Countries’ covers 1/3rd of countries on the planet) as long as you conform to some traditional gender role, even if it wasn’t what was assigned at birth, you’re going to be okay. Yes that means living more as a woman than a man if you happen to be a gay man that likes to receive, which is fucked up, but it’s not death.
It’s really when you try to break the binary you tend to get in trouble, again as a generality. Some embrace a third gender simply because they’re more traditionalist than Muslim, and some like saudi arabia do ban pretty much all non-heteronormative expression.
Okay but thanks to Saudi oil billions Wahhabism has influenced many parts of the Islamic world. Sure most Muslim countries aren’t full blown Wahhabis but it has influenced how people practice Islam thanks to mosques and schools build with Saudi money. Like Indonesia used to be quite tolerant against trans women and people doing drag. Like couple of decades ago it was quite normal to see people in drag on tv and even many of the tvshow hosts were obviously gay. Though not out of the closet but still. But nowadays those people are completely missing from the public. Attacks on trans women are a lot more common today than in the past. And that is all thanks to Saudi money which influenced how people view the lgbtq.
This is not a myth. There may be regions where it’s not the case ofc but communicating that one is gay in Muslim countries doesn’t typically end well.
Some countries have protections for transgender people, but none have protections for gay or lesbian populations (please mention any that do if you disagree).
“Living as a woman” if you like men is fucked up and is the same as death ime; gender dysphoria and being denied the experience of embodying the gender you view yourself as is something that’s linked w completed suicide; it’s the same reasoning why GAC is life-saving intervention and why trans people being denied GAC spikes suicidality and attempted/completed attempts amongst transgender populations. Just because some of them are more trans affirming, doesn’t make these countries any less of a death pit for the rest of us who aren’t trans.
Lgbt community can face descrimination or violence but not killing . The weird part is many countries has anti lgbt laws inherited from thr colonial era. Choose your word carefully.
Hate crime and lynching that leads to murders of the LGBT community is not at all something rare in the muslim world.
It’s true that many laws came from colonial era under christian missionaries, but muslims oppose the removal of those laws with religious outrage.
Hate crime and lynching that leads to murders of the LGBT community is not at all something rare in the muslim world.
This is also true of many non-muslim countries. If you have credible figures that demonstrate a higher murder rate of lgbtqi+ folks in muslim countries vs non-muslim countries then please provide at least some evidence, or withdraw your claim, because right now it seems to be based on nothing but anti-muslim vibes.
but [^some] muslims oppose the removal of those laws with religious outrage.
As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.
And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?
I despise homophobia in all its forms, but it simply isn’t true that the muslim religion is somehow worse than all the others.
You want facts? Name a single Muslim country that has legalized homosexuality. Name a single Muslim country that has legalized gay marriage.
I can name many non-muslim countries have.
If you want a thorough and detailed breakdown of how poorly Muslim countries perform in this regard, fire up Equaldex and search for any Muslim country there.
It is evident that in places such as West Europe and North America (not referring to America under Trump, it’s ruined now), generally, queer people have felt safe enough to come out, live their lives and remain in relationships w the people they love. This is not true of Muslim countries. You cannot be a openly gay man in Muslim countries, unless you’re of the elite class. This is self-evident.
It’s not “vibes”, I’m speaking from lived experience having lived in these countries as a gay person. Have you?
As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.
And yet I can name many christian states that have far better laws and protections for queer people than Muslim countries have ever had.
And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?
I never denied Christianity is also a plague, but in many regions, today, Christian states has progressed significantly whereas Muslim states have absolutely not in this regard. It’s disingenuous to present this as a “both sides” issue when one is clearly worse.
Having said that, to be clear, I denounce both Islam and Christianity.
And so, all we’re left with, is that this “group’s” (Islam’s) crimes are talked about as if it should be dealt with, while all the broadly “Christian” crimes are…what?
Regrettable, but understandable given the sheer number of Christians and Christian clergy - something from the past - something that only kinda happened, well it really happens-ed but look at all the good we do - something we’re taking seriously these days and working on, nothing like those people
Right. Islam, oh no!
AKA:
Yikes! What if folks had as many churches, but brown people inside 😧
Getting killed for holding an lgbtq flag is definitely rare in most arab and muslims countries. You are tryig to move the goal post by now adding unintential killing and hateful non letal actions.
You are simply spreading Islamphobia with your generalization.
Holding a LGBT flag implies one is gay. Once one is known to be gay, they’re in real risk of being lynched to death or getting thrown in jail.
The issue isn’t just holding a flag, it’s any signal that communicates one is gay clearly.
You are framing it as “unintentional killing” but this is blatantly false and dishonest. People come out to kill gay men in places like Pakistan and other Muslim countries. Homosexuality is punishable by death in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, and this is similarly seen in many other places where Islam is law.
Islam is a deeply homophobic religion and that is fact.
You are defending Islam against it’s homophobia and are grossly downplaying how it kills gay men, directly and indirectly.
You are defending Islam against it’s homophobia and are grossly downplaying how it kills gay men, directly and indirectly.
Nobody denies that some muslims are homophobic, or that many muslim-majority states have homophobic laws and practices. They do.
The problem with your argument, though, is that many christian- and buddhist-majority countries also have similar homophobic laws and practices.
In fact, there are more christian-majority countries with homophobic laws than any other religion. Roughly illustrated above, yellow is christian-majority, orange is muslim-majority and green is buddhist majority.
By implying the problem is with islam in particular, rather than religion in general, you are behaving like an islamaphobe.
You was talking about murdering any gay person . I told you most muslim countries have descriminitory laws like jail or refusing to hire etc. Sausi arabia , afghanistan or Iran are not most of the arab and islamic countries. Yet you still insist about your lie. Tou are generalizing muslims which is islamophobic, shame on you.
This is a map with the type of law around lgbt discrimination. Most mention imprisonment which is bad but not murder.
https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/
If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable; they shall surely be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them
From the torah would you say the same about jews or you know you can get away with islamophobia but not antisemetism
Generally speaking (because ‘Muslim Countries’ covers 1/3rd of countries on the planet) as long as you conform to some traditional gender role, even if it wasn’t what was assigned at birth, you’re going to be okay.
Are you sure? Where did you get this from?
LGBTQ laws in Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan pre CIA-installation of the taliban, anywhere in the ‘muslim’ world that Christian extremists didn’t settle, sorry, that ‘missionaries’ didn’t do ‘outreach’ in. Even Syria had a period of acceptance in the 1980s before, you know, the thing happened.
Islam teaches to love all your brothers and sisters, even when they ‘sin,’ as long as that sin is self-indulgent instead of harmful to others it’s generally fine. Any country accurately implementing Shariah generally has leniency if not acceptance towards LGBTQ people… as long as they live in traditional gender roles. In Iran, for instance, it is illegal to be gay, as in its illegal to live as a man and sleep with men. But if you’re ‘trans’ and live as a woman, you’re golden. You will literally have state protection. You just need to play the game as presented and you’re fine.
Now again this isn’t ideal and people should be accepted outside the narrow gender roles ingrained in Shariah, but compared to any area with a Christian majority where Christians have taken over the government, it’s pretty advanced.
The Jewish faith is inherently pro-LGBTQ, Christians would be if they followed the bible even slightly, and Muslims brought back the pro-LGBTQ that Christians abandoned during the puritan era.
Shariah law calls for the stoning to death of gay men.
“But you would need to do it in public to reach the 4 witnesses requirement” is NOT good enough, because these reasons fuel stigma that leads to lynching and hate crime. If the whole “Lut” thing and the aforementioned precedent in the Hadith didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be this state-sanctioned execution/imprisonment of gay and lesbian people (“but you can just be trans” is frankly bullshit and is downplaying the severity of the issue). Without the religious baggage of Islam there wouldn’t be social stigma on anywhere near the scale and that would drastically improve life expectancy for queer people.
You say “as long as that sin is self-indulgent” but this isn’t how homosexuality is treated historically. It’s viewed as a plague that would spread through the masses if allowed and they assert the need to step down on it (as is evident given by the fact that there are exactly 0 countries that legalized homosexuality and have hate crime protections).
It’s not just “not ideal”, it’s downright barbaric and disgusting.
West Europe, Scandinavia and Canada may like a word with you. Hell, even the US was “okay” w.r.t. queer rights before trump.
Judaism and Christianity both share the passage of Gemorrah and Seldom, none of the Abrahamic faiths are inherently queer affirming, only fringe minority subsections of those communities are.
Yeah I’m gonna need a source there.
It’s a common confusion caused by combining homosexuality and gender transition. Homosexuality is illegal in most Muslim countries. On the other hand, gender transitioning is not only accepted, but often considered a routine medical procedure. So in countries like Iran, the surgery is even subsidised. There are also legal protections, at least in Iran and Pakistan.
Had me in the first half ngl
*Some of the anarchists; there were many more, and supposably this pic caused quite some issues locally…
So your comment is that this picture does not contain every anarchist in Syria?
I interpret it as that they used to be more…
My point is that neither are they Syrian anarchists, nor do they represent any major group of anarchists in Syria. Don’t get me wrong; I apriaciate their gesture, even if it was ill advised in the local context. But its been years and people who see that for the first time might have no context whatsoever for the photo.
I vaguely remember those issues too, but not exactly what it was. Just that they stopped using those flags.
