• Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    18 hours ago

    Hate crime and lynching that leads to murders of the LGBT community is not at all something rare in the muslim world.

    This is also true of many non-muslim countries. If you have credible figures that demonstrate a higher murder rate of lgbtqi+ folks in muslim countries vs non-muslim countries then please provide at least some evidence, or withdraw your claim, because right now it seems to be based on nothing but anti-muslim vibes.

    but [^some] muslims oppose the removal of those laws with religious outrage.

    As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.

    And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?

    I despise homophobia in all its forms, but it simply isn’t true that the muslim religion is somehow worse than all the others.

    • Yliaster@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      You want facts? Name a single Muslim country that has legalized homosexuality. Name a single Muslim country that has legalized gay marriage.

      I can name many non-muslim countries have.

      If you want a thorough and detailed breakdown of how poorly Muslim countries perform in this regard, fire up Equaldex and search for any Muslim country there.

      It is evident that in places such as West Europe and North America (not referring to America under Trump, it’s ruined now), generally, queer people have felt safe enough to come out, live their lives and remain in relationships w the people they love. This is not true of Muslim countries. You cannot be a openly gay man in Muslim countries, unless you’re of the elite class. This is self-evident.

      It’s not “vibes”, I’m speaking from lived experience having lived in these countries as a gay person. Have you?

      As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.

      And yet I can name many christian states that have far better laws and protections for queer people than Muslim countries have ever had.

      And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?

      I never denied Christianity is also a plague, but in many regions, today, Christian states has progressed significantly whereas Muslim states have absolutely not in this regard. It’s disingenuous to present this as a “both sides” issue when one is clearly worse.

      Having said that, to be clear, I denounce both Islam and Christianity.

    • PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      7 hours ago

      And so, all we’re left with, is that this “group’s” (Islam’s) crimes are talked about as if it should be dealt with, while all the broadly “Christian” crimes are…what?

      Regrettable, but understandable given the sheer number of Christians and Christian clergy - something from the past - something that only kinda happened, well it really happens-ed but look at all the good we do - something we’re taking seriously these days and working on, nothing like those people

      Right. Islam, oh no!


      AKA:

      Yikes! What if folks had as many churches, but brown people inside 😧