• wraekscadu@vargar.org
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    2 days ago

    I’m so tired of the “AI bad” narrative on the left. SEIZE THE NEW MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND ACCELERATE.

    Get rid of human labor, redistribute the fruits of automation to everyone so that we can be on a forever holiday with friends and family.

    Yes, the current form of AI is not developed enough to accomplish this vision. Yes, billionaires getting to own it is bad. The problem however is not the technology itself and the advancement of that technology.

      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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        21 hours ago

        Citizenship Dividend.

        We The People (“Natural Persons”) invest our political authority in government. This is the fundamental tenet of “democracy”. Power flows from The People.

        Government utilizes that authority to provide services to both natural and legal “persons” (“corporations” and similar legal entities.) The government utilizes the political authority of natural persons to collect taxes from natural and legal persons. They turn our political investment into an economic benefit.

        We are owed an economic return on our investment. A Citizenship Dividend.

        An equivalent model is more commonly proposed as “Universal Basic Income”, but that model is often maligned as charity, or a “wealth redistribution” measure. “Citizenship Dividend” more reasonably describes the mechanism. Regardless of need, every citizen - from the poorest beggar to the richest billionaire - should be paid an equal, monthly dividend for the use of the political powers they have invested in the government.

        The source of these funds is taxation of every entity, natural or legal, that conducts business. The greater the level of automation within a particular company, the more business the company conducts, and the more taxes assessed. The richest will pay much more in taxes than they receive in dividends. The poorest will be those who attempt to survive solely on their Citizenship Dividends, without seeking additional work.

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          11 hours ago

          This the wrong /c/ to talk about taxes+capitalism. I am asking @wraekscadu@vargar.org’s plans to redistribute the means of automation. His non answer🧵 already answered to us he will do nothing but enrich Nazis.

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    the right is not offended by AI because it will take its job and therefore its income. the right is used to being pushed around by their landlords and being told what to do, and if the lord commands that AI be used, so be it.

    the right is worried because it questions their right to exist. if you are a worker, and all you do is work, and there is no work, then what is the reason to live? that’s an existential crisis that the right attempts to solve by inventing spaceflight just to give itself something to do.

    • Flyberius [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      3 days ago

      Will this increase in demand for those resources still take place under planned economies, or is this the result of profit seeking in capitalist economies?

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        The Jevons Paradox is not inherently capitalist. It emerges whenever a system has feedback loops that convert efficiency gains into expanded use.

        Rigid, conservation-oriented planning may suppress it… but flexible, growth-driven planning may just reproduce it in administrative form.

        It’s relatively rare for humans to not want the next generation to have more than they did, so I wouldn’t count on that happening.

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    Really wish this were the debate we got to have. I could so go for a political argument where both sides have good points and compromise is genuinepy possible.

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    Something is missing tho. Meme oversimplifies real historical experience. In the second part no one stands behind production machine. While it is usually a state’s henchmen who control specific production and make reports to respective authority. Basically, second option is state-owned production. Leftism enjoyers usually declare that there’s difference, since it’s not just “state”, but “people’s state”. Well, in practice naming is one of a few major differences, coz some people are representing state anyway – difference is which exact people are representing “state” — in most cases they control state and their position using brutal force and fear. Clearly, there’s a naïve demonisation of some stereotypic capitalist and at the same time also naïve idealisation of community presented in this meme, which is understandable, considering target audience of this content (honestly, idk why i’m seeing this, since i have a very strict limitations on any extreme left or right content on the homepage; they just constantly manage to somehow leak into my feed and i don’t like this phenomenon, especially bot posted and boosted content). That is to say, meme doesn’t really introduce anything new to our lives, so it’s worth is rather questionable. While in the first case entrepreneurs have more control over government (because there is actually no historical example [i’m aware about], in which they’ve fully controlled government — curious to see how international multi trillionaire corporations’ states would’ve worked). Since their main goal is constantly growing gains, surely, that can lead to various social issues (especially if there are no moral restraints, and it usually gets so). Many people may happen to suffer and die — that’s bad. And so it’s done the same in communist state, just in a bit different ways. All the goodies people allegedly produce for themselves and others may be expropriated for the sake of “distant future’s probable greater good you will never live to”, war purposes, or just to acquire nice civil goodies produced in evil capitalist states, like huge batch of fancy cars for party members as part of barter exchange while leaving population to mass starvation. That is bad. So, this is it, 5 year plan for 4 years, then 3, 2 years. People work like crazy for the sake of they don’t even know anymore. And it’s relatively peaceful and possible to even exist in such a state as a regular citizen… if state is ruled just by regular thieves. But just wait until some crazy militarists get into intelligence and state’s most important positions. Ooof, then it’ll quickly escalate into something very blood red and blue violent, not roses’ romanticism and pussy juice horny poetry. Preference to production of military equipment, also throwing civil tech and comfort in absolute oblivion. Remember: people still rule the state. People are usually egoistic and easily corrupted abusers. Those who aren’t egoistic ignorant pieces of shit will be fiercely exploited just to get no part of the share. And criminal infrastructure exists in every state, regardless of it’s global ideology. They shit on laws, system and order of things. This is how they get power and become state themselves and further dictate some impossible to follow rules.

    So in both cases some fucked up terrorists rule over others.

    Some people make a distinction between economical and political spheres in case of capitalism and socialism and few even propagate balance between two in both spheres or domination of first one in one sphere and second one in another. Such balance is very fragile tho. Some people want all countries to be like china economically, but they usually avoid political stuff like sweatshop conditions (usually less than no working conditions standards), infiltration of society by really big numbers of agents that report any dissident thinking, add to that mass repressions, extermination, strict censorship of this and other stuff. Some countries already adopted or still implementing chinese way of things, but with a small remark that they do it only politically (no economical percs) — this country truly is a new tyrant mass surveillance tech testing sandbox of training data extraction for dictatorships. Totally useful for em bastards.

    Let’s hope all existing regimes of nazi-commies and commie-nazis in all countries will just collapse by themselves or with somebody’s help and there will actually appear space and possibility for something else to exist and maybe even prosper in a normal way. Sometimes it’s also about current state of things — when something new actually appears, people find out new ways of thinking, working and even living, not existing through, their lives. Mhm… much text.

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    Wild to see this posted on an anarchist community, when most anarchists (especially utopian currents) are opposed to economic planning or centralized and efficient forms of production, instead fetishizing small-scale medieval-style production, or in other words, reactionary mode of production which would increase the time and amount of labor required simply for the sake of ideology.

    I’m not even talking about the 12 year old anarcho-primitivists that are pervasive on lemmy, but guys like Kropotkin and his theoretical conclusions