I’m choosing devices based on how good they work with zha and HA and usually have to browse a bit before settling for something. If they manage to implement this properly, I’m all here for it.
Maybe they should talk to the zigbee device compatibility repository people (or maybe they already have).
Is there a place to view the device database yet or is that coming soon?
You can have a look here: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ This not the database mentioned here, but a community effort for several systems. HA database has to be better than this to be useful.
Seems to be the latter, it’ll show up in HA labs in the Feb release iirc
What? You are here for integrating all electronics into some internet connected spying machine to record everything we do and send it to data brokers/ peter thiel, bezos’ house?
“Integrating” your tv, your thermostat, your refrigerator, toaster, oven, microwave, etc., into a subscription model in time at that. You will be paying money or forced to watch ads for using your own purchased electronics that were owned unreservedly in full in all generations prior, but now you are in effect just renting their operating system of the device, and criminally forbidden from changing/editing it. Hackers, the government, business groups, other organized interests can brick all your appliances at any moment, or spy on everyone in the vicinity.
The people I’ve spoken with are all against these so called smart devices, the purveyors of which are removed from consequence as long as they share/sell the information to the government as well, not the least removed from consequence for flooding social media with influence operations, mechanized, now with ai chatbots new models coming soon, to drown out real people, give them a false impression of how the public feels, instill a hopelessness, and sell things just like this.
Ignorant of what they are doing acceding to the oligarchy in accepting, paying for the spyware, giving a mass of information to those interests and by extension the government, foreign governments, hackers, organized interests, ect, that previous oligarchies and tyrants couldn’t dream of,
That’s a whole lotta words to say “I have no fucking idea what Home Assistant is, but have strong preconceived feelings about it.”
Please get a grip of what the post is instead of rambling such nonsense at the sight of some topic that’s only vaguely related to what you wrote.
Condemning owning “smart devices” is not half baked, it’s common sense and you trusting you can keep them from spying on you is naive, and as I told another person, you should get checked for taxoplasmosis, which affects the fear center in the brain and could be widespread. I’m serious about that too.
Condemning bullshit “smart” stuff and cloud independence is why people are using home assistant. But if you just want to rant and don’t care about the topic instead of learning what’s discussed here, I’ll not reply any further.
My point is not to buy internet connected devices that have no business being internet capable in the first place.
Then that there are vulnerabilities in the security that can be exploited even when you think you are safe. It’s great to minimize the vulnerabilities, not as great as not enshitifying those appliances in the first place.
Also on this forum you should anticipate that attitude and address it in the post.
Home Assistant users are huge on devices with full local control (no internet connection required). Yes, HA works with cloud-connected devices too, but HA itself is just a platform for connecting all your devices together.
Most users here probably agree with you about avoiding internet connected devices, but your condemnation of HA makes it sound like you have no idea what HA is.
Well obviously I did have no idea what home assistant was. On this forum that should be expected and answered in the post itself however. Obviously you are going to get that, along with people that skip it entirely because of it.
On this forum
You mean the homeassistant community? For Home Assistant users? I think it’s taken for granted here that people know what HA is, and that doesn’t seem unreasonable. I wouldn’t expect every post in /c/android to explain what Android is.
Well obviously I did have no idea what home assistant was.
Yes, this was obvious, but it didn’t keep you from ranting as if you did.
ZigBee devices are not internet connected
My devices aren’t Internet connected at all. You could just have asked instead of going off on it.
Do you like, know, what Home Assistent is? What?
@bluesheep
I must admit that this is by far the most extensive but really, really convincing way to say: „I have no clue what Homeassistant is“ that I have seen so far.I know smart devices spy on us, collect our data, and transmit it to data brokers, even when they say they don’t. Even if your home assistant didn’t share the information, it would be garnered by the government and or data brokers. That anonymized information is not, by combining sets of data they can identify everyone involved, and so forth.
Why do you need a toaster that can be controlled to the internet, a washing machine, a dishwasher? Thermostat you could argue could be helpful, although that gives hackers an ability to change your temperature when you are away. There is no good reason for any of these devices to be collecting this information on us, even if you don’t see the danger in it on it’s face.
That is a very, very extensive “I have no clue what I’m talking about in this subject”
Maybe take 10 minutes to educate yourself before opening your mouth.
Like, one of the primary points of home assistant is making it so more devices aren’t connected to the internet. It doesn’t anonymize the data, it makes it so you can fully locally control a bunch of products (eg, I have tons of products blocked at my firewall from sending or receiving data from WAN; the only way for a hacker to change my thermostat is to be on my LAN, they literally can’t do it remotely).
Not sure if you’re an LLM or just enjoy entirely missing the point.
I’m not sure you don’t have taxoplasmosis, a brain parasite all mammals can harbour, passed between cats and rodents, the rodents lose their fear of cats as it affects their fear center. Up to 30% of the population could have it, it explains a lot.
I was all set to be pissed off at this, then I read that it was opt in. Home Assistant is f’n awesome!
Honestly I don’t mind pitching in with my data for such project, if it’s opt-in.
I do the same with my Kde Plasma and bump up the telemetry. If it’s in good faith and it helps the project grow, I don’t mind contributing(plasma also alows you to turn it completely off if you so choose).
Microsoft gets nothing in good faith, so I never give them anything.
You are giving the makers of so called smart appliances the benefit of the doubt? That’s laughable. Anyone not born yesterday should be well aware all the data collected by these devices is being shared, despite what they say, and it ends up with data brokers that sell it to anyone, including in whole to the federal government that distributes it to agencies, and does the devil knows what else with it.
I don’t think you understand what local control of smart devices means…
I don’t think you understand that these devices are not secure. By design they aren’t secure, they collect more than they let on, that information is accessed by data brokers. To trust manufacturers in saying information is not being collected despite the capability for it in the machines, to trust they aren’t sharing data, aren’t selling it, is laughably naive this 2026. It doesn’t matter what they told you, you are surrendering your information to data brokers one way or another, and by extension to the worst people in the world, that can and will use that information against you whether it is readily apparent how or not.
Home assistant is used by a lot of security savvy people. It’s not to their benefit to leak data like that.
Local control also means you can isolate IoT devices from the internet. You can make it so they CAN’T exfiltrate data. You can wrap your insecure IoT devices in a secure wrapper.
The database is for how well devices work in this environment. Will they work fine, or throw a fit and stop working.
While that sounds interesting, my broader point is you should buy non connected appliances. That you can’t trust you will be able to keep that information from data brokers.
There are base exploits written into the internet as we know it, you can’t trust you can keep them out, even in knowing all of that, but yes maybe I came across half cocked there I could’ve made my point less dickishly sorry. And if _* you do decide to have smart devices, and we already do with our computers and phones so it’s almost a moot point without addressing that (with open source phones and operating systems on computers,) it’s better to have a system to minimize the possible fuckery ports.
Because the internet is corrupted at a base level, moreso than you know.
If you’re trying to fend off the CIA then your worries have merit. My goal is to limit casual data leaks and bypass attacks.
Normal worst case, someone can see when I turn lights on and off. Or mess with my thermostats. There are easier ways to gather that info.
Can you actually back up any of those statements, particularly when we are dealing with things like ZigBee, tasmota, or espHome?
Yeah, that was kinda my point… I’m so used to being mistreated that when I saw the headline, I thought I wouldn’t be given the choice to participate. But giving me the choice builds trust in the people. It’s a move that supports their community in a time where such policies are rare. I love it.
I am very much looking forward to this. I have been buying third reality devices simply because they have the works with Home Assistant branding. And so I know that it’s going to work properly. So the fact that this database is being created is going to be very helpful for me in the future.
I like it. However, as someone who likes to try out stuff from Ali biggest hurdle will be to identify the devices in the first place.
I hope that maybe this database will also help with that… if you can’t identify it, it’ll have less representation, so it won’t be bought… and the quality vendors will start to shine through.
And then to reliably differentiate them if they do some kind of revision upgrade. And for another user to identify whether the device they are thinking about buying is a particular one in the home assistant database; given how many sellers resell the exact same thing under different names.
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