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  • cepelinas@sopuli.xyz
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    But is china really that socialist they have private property and companies isn’t that kinda like saying north korea is democratic because it says democratic in its name and why would a socialist country build a firewall for the internet and roll tanks out in a peaceful protest and more recently shutdown a peacuful protest in hong kong.

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      China is socialist because social ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. It has nothing to do with the name of China, and everything to do with how their society is actually structured, same with the DPRK’s form of consensus-based democracy. I don’t know why you are pretending I made the claim that China is socialist because they said so, I have never made that claim in my life.

      The reason for the firewall is to protect developing Chinese internet infrastructure from competition with more developed western alternatives like Facebook. It’s the same reason the US bans Chinese EVs to protect its own auto industry. Thanks to the firewall, China has a much more mature internet than they would have otherwise. This is standard protectionism.

      As for the June 4th incident, it wasn’t at all peaceful. Rioters around Beijing began lynching unarmed members of the PLA, which prompted state intervention. As for Hong Kong, it was more peaceful than June 4th, but also was countered more peacefully. In both cases, capitalists opposed the socialist system and sparked unrest.

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        At first I thought you were just a reasonable socialist on .ml on further inspection just a tankie.

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          Tankie is just a pejorative for those who support socialist states, as I have said elsewhere. Do you actually disagree with anything I have said on the basis of fact, or are you just jumping to a pejorative to dodge having to respond? Honest question.

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      And Putin a reactionary nationalist? What is he reacting to? That countries which don’t want to be under Russia’s thumb tend to ally with the west?

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        Reactionary meaning socially and fiscally regressive. The imperialist countries encircling Russia are also reactionary, though, so the source of conflict is imperialist encirclement vs. Russian nationalism resisting that encroachment.