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Was stuck with cinnamon and xfce in my first few years of Linux due to crap hardware lol. It reminded me of windows XP/ 7 and I still prefer cinnamon over most other DEs
very good video.
as a correct KDE user, i also enjoy Niri and i feel seen.
“The K in KDE stands for Korrect”
You’re goddamn right it does.
Hey, I remember you from when I used to browse imgur. I always enjoyed your image dumps. :D
Thank you! I’m doing other shit now.
Yeah I’m tired of the GNOME hate so I checked out pretty quick and here’s a rant.
I basically, I want 2 things.
- A WM that just works with modern interfaces.
- A DE that disapears 99% of the time when I’m actually using my computer and shows me just enough to get to my next task when I ask.
GNOME does this. In my opinion KDE doesn’t.
If the process of making your prettiest UI is the thing you’re using your computer for then KDE seems optimized for you but that’s not me.
I don’t want to see the UI. I don’t want to spend time messing with the UI. I want to make it small and black the first time I log in. Maybe change a keybind. Then I want to split screen a terminal and a browser and get to work.
This is GNOME. It’s fine. Stop crapping on people who like that and
And before you asked, I daily drove KDE for several years like a decade ago but got tired of fighting with it. I tried KDE again late last year and it’s gotten a lot better and I’m sure someone committed enough could trim it down the way I want. I tried a couple times and to its credit, I almost got there before getting hidden widgets or broken widgets that caused me to wipe everything and start over. I used to crash the widget manager regularly so it seemed better. But it felt slower and I never was really happy with it so… Not worth the effort.
GNOME is one of the most common desktops used, don’t let loud users decide what you can and can’t enjoy. By the way, I hate GNOME.
Don’t let anyone tell you what to use and just find what works for you.
Gnome with paperwm is goated. The best DE is the one I don’t think about where everything is always “there”. All I ever really want is a bunch of windows in an arbitrary non-overlapping arrangement and some energy/bluetooth/network gizmos. I do not want to use menus. Ever.
Nice keyboard
Xmonad!
On KDE I couldn’t get Steam to put my game library on my second harddrive. It would open up the file finder, then simply ignore whatever folder I picked (regardless of drive and folder permissions). I was able to recreate the issue on Gnome under wayland, but X11 works fine. I even tried making a symlink to the other drive in my home directory, no dice. Tried flatpak steam as well as valve’s installer script; nada.
Interestingly, it seems that the “pick a folder” button in Steam opens up a contextual file search window in X, but just a regular nautilus instance in Wayland. I’d say that this is the problem (the regular nautilus/dolphin instance not reporting back to Steam what folder I selected), but it works for moving to different directories, just not drives (in both DEs). Same thing happened on Fedora, so it’s not just “Debian is too outdated.”
But let’s be serious, if I wanted to spend a lot of time tweaking and tuning my graphical environment to be exactly what I want, I’m not settling for Gnome nor KDE. I’m not gonna go with Cinnamon, XFCE, LXQt, LMDE, MATE, nor any ecosystem. I’m going with a window manager and mixing and matching every single program/element myself.
I use i3 on my laptops. I would use Sway (because I don’t have to care about Steam), but for some reason it’s like 5x as resource hungry on these machines (constant freezes and stuttering).
Sounds like either a permission issue, format of your drive, or a mounting issue to me.
Tried with root and user perms for the drive, tried with 777 on the folder and whatever permissions steam uses when it creates the folder. The drive is ext4 and mounts fine.
What does any of this have to do with KDE, Gnome, or nautilus? If symlinks aren’t working, I’d dedicate an entire drive to Steam by mounting that drive (with matching permissions) right where Steam expects to find them. You can mount a filesystem/disc/ISO/drive/network share practically anywhere you want. If your network is fast enough, I bet you could even access your games over NFS, though I wouldn’t recommend it.
It doesn’t matter where or how I mount the drive, the problem isn’t the drive; idk how I could have made that clearer.
What does any of this have to do with KDE, Gnome, or nautilus?
The problem only happens under KDE and Gnome on Wayland; the nautilus thing was just a curiosity. Did you read my comment?
Yes, I read your comment. It’s okay if you didn’t understand my comment. Clearly you don’t understand how filesystems and drive mounting works under Linux or the role of desktop environments in managing filesystems, mounting, and permissions. I don’t doubt that you’re genuinely struggling here, but there is no call for that kind of hostility. You might have some hope for figuring it out if you open your mind to the fact that you don’t fully understand what your problem is.
Steam expects the games to be in a particular place with a particular set of permissions and ownership relative to the user(s) and/or group(s) expected to use those game files. I’m telling that Linux doesn’t care where those files physically reside. You can tell Steam that those files are exactly where Steam expects them to be at the filesystem level, without messing with Steam configs, nautilus, gnome, or KDE. There are several ways to do this, but without understanding the requirements of your machine no one here will be able to give you effective advice.
I’ve seen some other comments from you about running something or other as root or just blanket chmods to 777 and I can tell you from experience that those are rarely effective solutions and can sometimes make things worse (just try something like that when configuring ssh configs, keys, and permissions).
Almost guaranteed a Flatpak thing. I know you said X11 versus Wayland was your issue, but likely some quirk of the two window managers was allowing it to work.
Adding the drive path in Flatseal or installing non-Flatpak Steam would likely fix it.
I don’t generally do flatpaks, I just tried it to see if it would remove the issue
Were you using the flatpak version of Steam?
Tried flatpak steam as well as valve’s installer script; nada.
Ok. I was asking because I was going to say don’t.
Or if you need to, check out the settings for it with something like “Warehouse” that lets you alter what the flatpak can and can’t access.
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Fuck you
I’d be curious if using https://gist.github.com/davispuh/6600880 or configuration files for Steam that would be the kind of things fixed bypassing integration bugs in the UI. I didn’t try as I didn’t have that problem.
I’ll give it a shot next time I have some time, thank you!
That desk with 3 monitors too close to the keyboard and face give me some agony. Seems like they’re trying to engulf me. For me, the advantage of a desktop is being able to put both the keyboard and monitor at a comfortable distance, what I can’t do with laptops. But well, maybe that’s the comfortable distance for the one uses that machine.
I use XFCE for it’s philosophy of modular being better.
Guess I must be an alien then. (That’s ‘pure’ sway – no toolbars, icons… nothing. I use my own dmenu-esque app to run binaries.)
Wow, not even a bar/swaybar/waybar. That’s radical, alright.
guess i’m boring then
I messed around with compiz in the early 2000’s to get the rotating cube desktop, windows that burned themselves up with fire when you closed them, etc, etc… And I remember how much work it was to maintain all that stuff and keep it working after updates.
Eventually I stopped caring about things that were kinda neat but didn’t really add much actual functionality, and as I’ve gotten older, I’ve also just stopped caring about tweaking things visually to make it pretty and showcase a desktop or windows, that aren’t really visible unless you have 0 windows open.
As I’ve gotten older my DE and window manager, etc are just a tool to let me use my computer, whether for fun or work, but at the end of the day, I care much more about using my computer than I do endlessly tweaking things.
All that to say: I’m happy that people have the choice to have different DE’s and window managers, and endlessly tweak things, they come up with some cool desktops and interesting UX designs, but for me it’s just a tool at the end of the day.
