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So, are you trying to say it’s the year of the Linux desktop?
Lemme have a seizure real quick
Yup. Big fan of [distro]. Never had a problem running [distro]. I CHOOSE to open [distro]'s terminal because its so perfect i don’t ever NEED to.
I run Ironman btw.
Fuck [distro] and its fanboys. [Distro 2] is clearly superior.
Fuck [distro], fuck [distro 2], you plebians haven’t breathed until you’ve rolled your own Linux From Scratch
/j
This is what I think is holding back Linux adoption for end user devices. Only a handful of hardware suppliers cater for Linux directly, the rest are supported by the Linux community developing drivers where needed which will always be a cat and mouse situation.
I believe as adoption rate begins to intensify, hardware companies will take more notice and Linux adoption will increase exponentially. I think we are already beginning to see this starting.
This isn’t only an issue with Linux, it’s an issue within the whole technology industry. Simple things like Wi-Fi cards and the like, should be all standardized.
Hardware shouldn’t be catered to any particular os.
That would be great, but then you’d also need to standardise driver api’s across all operating systems for it to be seamless.
driver APIs*
Sheeeeeeeeit. I remember when that wasn’t even the case with Windows. I’m old, though.
That’s still not the case with windows for me. The headphone jack doesn’t work. I did go as far as to reinstall OS from scratch.
It’s not uninstalled drivers because they work for thr first 5 minutes after boot.
Getting sound to work is easier in linux than in windows for my pc. That’s just uncanny to think about.
My wifi does not work out of the box with the windows installer, for some reason, so I have to use my phone as a hotspot. Never happened on the linux distros I tried :>
Try installing Windows on some Dell computers without the storage drivers…
All you have to do is switch the storage to AHCI mode in BIOS. Windows has to have a special driver for it too in RAID mode, at least as of last time I tried to install it on a dell.
You lose some Intel specific optimizations.
I get suspicious when everything just works on a laptop.
I never had anything NOT work on a laptop. I installed Linux on 5 of them.
These days, that’s pleasantly true :)
15 years ago was a different story. You’d have about a 50/50 shot of your trackpad working, one in three that your WiFi would work, and if you were hoping for a working webcam, you should just forget about it.
So even in modern times when you do an install and everything mostly just works, it still feels suspiciously miraculous.
These are the kinds of things that remind us how far we’ve come :)
See, this is why I like Linux Mint. I’ve gotten lazy in my old age and just want things to function.
I have a kink for installing Linux on Macs. The only thing I ever have trouble with is wifi, particularly on my 2011 MacBook Pro.
Oh, and the trackpad gets significantly shitter, but that’s just life.
I installed endeavouros on my 2015 pro and nothing made the WiFi work. Reinstalled macOS.
After a few days I thought screw it, I’ll try other distros. Popos just boots and works out of the box ….
I kinda wish I hadn’t sold my 2015 MBP Pro when I got my M2 Air. I wasn’t messing about with Linux then, but with hindsight it would have been an excellent machine. I had it running Ventura (I think it was) via OCLP, which was great, but the fans were basically constant. Turns out that it was likely just macOS/OCLP.
Currently running Kubuntu off a thumb drive plugged into my 2011 MBP and I honestly don’t think I’ve heard the fan on it. Running Ventura on the same machine was like trying to work next to a jet engine.
I’m currently still running macOS Monterey on a 2016 Macbook Pro which I use as my general purpose desktop. I’m considering going to Linux on it :)
I have other Linux machines already so this isn’t a new foray - would just be interesting to see how it performs. Battery would be way worse I know, but this laptop serves basically as a permanent desktop anyway, so that’s very much not a concern.
painfull memories. mouse worked in instaler but not once installed. always something
I had an old laptop where graphics worked in the LiveCD installer but not once installed.
Tldr it took a bunch of bootloader config changes to make it work again
For me it’s the geolocation of all things. Live USB can find my location in map and weather applications no problem but once installed it only gets my country right…
I am not a techy person. But I started using Linux in around 2007ish (might have been a little earlier). First started because of philosophical issues with open source mentality.
I bled for that philosophy, let me tell you. Nothing worked out of the box, my only friend who used Linux was an online friend, and his tech support could only help me if we happened to be online at the same time. He helped a lot, but dozens and dozens of guides later I managed to get it mostly working. Google.com/Linux used to be a thing, and it was quite helpful. After a few reversions back to Windows in the early days I got a terrible little netbook, and Wubi became a thing. It allowed you to install windows from within windows, without having to have a live CD. It worked great, but it was right back to all the same touchpad, wifi, monitor, et cetera issues. But this time I could go back to Windows and research my issue, print off the guides, and use them to troubleshoot. So much easier than asking my neighbor to use their computer, or trying to read and follow the guides from my blackberry lmao
Now? I haven’t a had a single issue like that when installing a distro in 10+ years. Shit just works now. Granted, I stick to mainstream distros, or forks of mainstream distros. Craziest thing I’ve tried recently was Bazzite, which is basically just silver blue. I liked being on Bazzite and silver blue, but I ended up going back to regular old fedora workstation, because relying solely on flatpaks is limiting, and I (remember, not a techy person) don’t understand rpm ostree lol
The last time I had something not automatically detected was on a ~2003 obscure “gaming” laptop (or what passed for gaming back then)
Yeah, it’s been pretty straight forward for standard components for the last twenty years. (But I also tend to buy PCs that are known to be Linux friendly. That might be a reason for my lack of complaints in this area.)
When my laptop was pretty new, I would have to update Linux Mint’s kernel for the trackpad to work. The older kernel it defaulted to didn’t support it but the update manager could get a newer one that worked. The Wi-Fi driver actually worked better in Linux than in Windows.
This was my experience with Ubuntu, my beloved. :)
Ubuntu catches some well earned flak, but afaik it was the first distro to have an effortless Gui setup wizard that “just worked.”
I remember using one of their ubiquitous install CD back in the mid 00s to bring an old laptop back to life, and literally changing my life.
If it weren’t for Ubuntu, I’d wager half or more Linux users wouldn’t be Linux users. I have no hard data to back this up and I’m willing to be told I’m wrong. But most of the stories I hear are “started on Ubuntu back when they were mailing out free CDs” and “tried a few other things, gave up until I found Ubuntu”
It’s barrier to entry was so long for Windows users, and it allowed people the time and space to get comfortable with being on something not-windows, and sure, eventually a big chunk moved on, but it got them to this side of the fence, and that’s admirable. Wubi (a dual boot installer you could run from within windows without a CD a thumb drive) is what really got me on Linux, and eventually I stopped dualbooting altogether.
I keep reading this, but why?
Edit: The flak
Couple reasons people dislike Ubuntu/Canonical. 1) they’re just popular, but also they went their own way with the Unity UI hoping to score a BMW touchscreen contract, they went their own way with snaps which are much worse than flatpak, they added ads for “Ubuntu Pro” in the distro (notably in the terminal).
I think they have a reputation for going off and doing their own thing rather than working with existing solutions.
I’m having a hard time understanding the criticism on them working with companies, or developing tech towards it, though. I thought it would be a good thing if a Linux company introduced systems for general use, same with Edubuntu. Having Ubuntu on school PCs is definitely better than Windows for example.
I have had an insane number of issues on my AMD card (not even old, an RX 6600 XT). Every new kernel version, ROCm version, there’s some new bug/crash that happens. Currently, the LTS kernel is the only stable one for me.
A list of issues I’ve had:
- Random page faults in OpenGL if I dare use more than 10% of it
- An insane separation of the audio and video driver on the GPU that causes neither to be usable, one stuck in limbo, unable to be bound to any device.
- Segmentation fault when doing anything in ROCm (I’ve had to revert to a very specific month old version)
- Page fault with VAAPI if I have both a vulkan and opengl app running
- Absolute lag insanity if I use SPECIFICALLY 92-95% of my vram, anything else is fine. I swear it’s not a vram issue.
- Glitchy artifacts frequently on the screen reminiscent of a VRAM issue (newest issue that made me revert to month old kernel versions)
I’m still gonna be using Linux, but I’ve never had issues like these in windows (where amd is famous for *bad" drivers).
That’s wild. I have the exact same card and didnt encounter a single problem with it. I am currently running a dual monitor setup with different resolutions and refreshing rates and it just works. Sometimes some people are just kind of cursed with their setup.
Linux can only do 1080p resolution haha
I have barely had any of those issues in almost 20 years of linux use. The worst I remember dealibg with was cups back in the day. Certainly almost everything I’ve installed linux on in the last 10 years has just worked.
The only exception has been installing linux on old chrome books.
It used to be pretty bad before hardware standardization.
First time I installed Linux was maybe two years ago, and I watched a video that basically told me it’s best to start with something simple and install things as you need them, so I got plain ol Ubuntu.
Well it turns out it’s really hard to get basic shit working when basic shit doesn’t work. I was having some crazy dual monitor problems.
I’ve tried Pop and Endeavor now and I’m much happier.Is this some sort of Ubuntu joke I’m too Arch to understand?
Right? Arch detects all my hardware. Its my favorite Gentoo install medium.
