The USSR was also destroyed by encirclement and (nearly 100 years) of pressure from reactionaries.
But again, you and and the people on the comm you named after yourself are the ones hypocritically positing that any socialist project that fails is evidence that that project’s ideology inevitably leads to capitalist takeover. None of the “tankies” on Hexbear are saying that because it’s asinine, but if you actually believe it, to be ideologically consistent, would require condemning anarchism also.
Okay, so stop being a literal child and draw that thought out to its logical conclusions. I did that fifteen fucking years ago and realized, oh, hey, China isn’t Literally Evil for Doing Authoritarianism. They exist in a world with the fucking CIA, and all the feel good anarcho idealism in the world isn’t going to protect them from their literal fucking terrorism.
If you actually use your fucking brain you’d understand that it matters what “authority” is used “for.” Let me spoil it for you- using it to defend a revolution from internal and external reaction and imperialism IS GOOD, UNLESS YOU’RE A FUCKING REACTIONARY.
So you’re happy with a system that will revert to capitalism, your quibble is just over whether it’s taken apart by internal or external forces. Yeah, real coherent ideology you got there.
I’m not happy with a system that will revert to capitalism at all. I just think the material conditions are not always the same where anarchists won’t come ahead against the counter-revolution, and when they do, they won’t collapse through their own internal contradictions like ML regimes.
So AES states prove that socialist states always collapse and becomes capitalism, and the collapse of every anarchist state ever to outside of forces doesn’t prove that anarchist states are incapable of defending themselves? I have that right? And that makes sense to you?
this is why people like me just laugh and call you a fucking child, because like, what are you even on? What does your revolutionary society look like? How is it organized?
You just out yourself as an ignorant, illiterate fuck who doesn’t realize that political anarchism is about the abolition of unjust and arbitrary hierarchies, not some idealist bullshit ass “we need a non hierarchical society” and a belief that you just get there by fucking magic. You are going to need to have a political organization of some kind, and guess what? The establishment of that is inherently fucking hierarchical!
What makes it good is not being a hierarchy based on fucking nobility or property ownership or oppressive class relations, dipshit. You are better off jerking yourself to death in your goon cave than chasing after some platonic ideal of A Lack of Hierarchy when here in the fucking real world the bourgoisie, fascists and cops are closing the noose around your neck and mine.
I’d tell you to grow the fuck up but I know you’re just going to keep crying about authority and hierarchy while every single fucking lying weaselly ass statement from your mouth assists the imperialists and the bourgeoisie, whether you know it or not
They’re not calling anarchists idiots. They’re explicitly referring to you who started being combative right out of the gate with this dumb fucking meme
Right, it’s not like MLs have been calling anarchists who don’t toe the line “infantile” (when not outright labeling them as liberals so as to have an excuse to purge them) since the times of Lenin. Totally isolated incident
Here’s an advice, If you don’t like this sort of of meme, maybe block anarchism comms outside of your instance instead of coming to in our space to antagonize and troll?
Lmao, why would I block anarchist comms when I consider them to be comrades? You’re the one being antagonistic, not anarchists as a whole.
If you don’t like hexbears calling you out on your shit then maybe you should be the one to disengage and defederate? Anarchists are always welcome on hexbear, but it’s clear that “tankies” aren’t welcome in your comms.
when not outright labeling them as liberals
You mean like what you’re doing to us in this meme? That’s a nice glass house you’ve got, try not to throw any rocks.
Not without being conquered by fascists or red fash. I.e they’re internally consistent.
The USSR was also destroyed by encirclement and (nearly 100 years) of pressure from reactionaries.
But again, you and and the people on the comm you named after yourself are the ones hypocritically positing that any socialist project that fails is evidence that that project’s ideology inevitably leads to capitalist takeover. None of the “tankies” on Hexbear are saying that because it’s asinine, but if you actually believe it, to be ideologically consistent, would require condemning anarchism also.
Deeply unserious
Okay, so stop being a literal child and draw that thought out to its logical conclusions. I did that fifteen fucking years ago and realized, oh, hey, China isn’t Literally Evil for Doing Authoritarianism. They exist in a world with the fucking CIA, and all the feel good anarcho idealism in the world isn’t going to protect them from their literal fucking terrorism.
If you actually use your fucking brain you’d understand that it matters what “authority” is used “for.” Let me spoil it for you- using it to defend a revolution from internal and external reaction and imperialism IS GOOD, UNLESS YOU’RE A FUCKING REACTIONARY.
You don’t need hierarchies to defend against imperialism
You sure you don’t need those hierarchies buddy? You suuuuuuuure?
Yep, I don’t want to help bring about a system which will only revert to capitalism on its own.
So you’re happy with a system that will revert to capitalism, your quibble is just over whether it’s taken apart by internal or external forces. Yeah, real coherent ideology you got there.
I’m not happy with a system that will revert to capitalism at all. I just think the material conditions are not always the same where anarchists won’t come ahead against the counter-revolution, and when they do, they won’t collapse through their own internal contradictions like ML regimes.
So AES states prove that socialist states always collapse and becomes capitalism, and the collapse of every anarchist state ever to outside of forces doesn’t prove that anarchist states are incapable of defending themselves? I have that right? And that makes sense to you?
this is why people like me just laugh and call you a fucking child, because like, what are you even on? What does your revolutionary society look like? How is it organized?
You just out yourself as an ignorant, illiterate fuck who doesn’t realize that political anarchism is about the abolition of unjust and arbitrary hierarchies, not some idealist bullshit ass “we need a non hierarchical society” and a belief that you just get there by fucking magic. You are going to need to have a political organization of some kind, and guess what? The establishment of that is inherently fucking hierarchical!
What makes it good is not being a hierarchy based on fucking nobility or property ownership or oppressive class relations, dipshit. You are better off jerking yourself to death in your goon cave than chasing after some platonic ideal of A Lack of Hierarchy when here in the fucking real world the bourgoisie, fascists and cops are closing the noose around your neck and mine.
I’d tell you to grow the fuck up but I know you’re just going to keep crying about authority and hierarchy while every single fucking lying weaselly ass statement from your mouth assists the imperialists and the bourgeoisie, whether you know it or not
Tankies :“immature”, “anakiddie”, “liberal”, “reactionary”, “ignorant”, “waaaa”
Also tankies : “what about that left unity doe?”
A tale repeated since the nonsense that is “on authority”
But thanks for reinforcing to the audience why one just not align with (nevermind trust) MLs.
They’re not calling anarchists idiots. They’re explicitly referring to you who started being combative right out of the gate with this dumb fucking meme
Right, it’s not like MLs have been calling anarchists who don’t toe the line “infantile” (when not outright labeling them as liberals so as to have an excuse to purge them) since the times of Lenin. Totally isolated incident
Here’s an advice, If you don’t like this sort of of meme, maybe block anarchism comms outside of your instance instead of coming to in our space to antagonize and troll?
Lmao, why would I block anarchist comms when I consider them to be comrades? You’re the one being antagonistic, not anarchists as a whole.
If you don’t like hexbears calling you out on your shit then maybe you should be the one to disengage and defederate? Anarchists are always welcome on hexbear, but it’s clear that “tankies” aren’t welcome in your comms.
You mean like what you’re doing to us in this meme? That’s a nice glass house you’ve got, try not to throw any rocks.
the only good revolution is the one that fails