I’ve seen many threads suggesting products but they often don’t mention FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software. With FOSS you are already boycotting capitalism, on either side. Free and Open Source ignores borders and shouldn’t be categorized in nationalist terms, no matter where some of the maintainers happen to live.

  • m532@lemmygrad.ml
    1·
    4 hours ago

    More like “buy white”

    The white supremacists think trump bailed on them so they are desperate to hold the remains of their fourth reich together

    And of course they hate FOSS, because they hate freedom

  • St0ner@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    7·
    1 day ago

    I’ve tried to extol the virtues of FOSS for a long time. Not many people even care about it or their privacy, always parroting the adage “If i do nothing wrong what do I need to worry about” without a further thought.

  • Riley@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2·
    2 days ago

    I always like to say the fruits of FOSS labour are the common heritage of mankind. It belongs to all of us as a public good, created and maintained by selfless workers. (Nevermind the fact that most FOSS projects are based out of Europe anyways).

    • chebra@mstdn.io
      3·
      2 days ago

      @Irelephant

      > “Hey guys, I want to leave X, should I go to Bluesky or Threads? What? Mastodon? Never heard of that. Looks very complicated, I’ll pass”
      > – CEO, founder, IT wizz on LinkedIn

      Every time!

      • adbenitez@lemmy.ml
        11·
        2 days ago

        Or the classic “guys I am leaving WhatsApp, moved my whole family to Signal, another centralized US-based silo that requires phone numbers and runs on AWS, CloudFlare, etc.”

        • easily3667@lemmus.orgEnglish
          41·
          2 days ago

          Signal: over a decade of leaking nothing and providing a great service for free, with some weird hiccups along the way like cryptocurrency.

          Privacy “advocates”: fuck signal

          • adbenitez@lemmy.mlEnglish
            32·
            2 days ago
            1. if they leaked something you wouldn’t know because US government law doesn’t allow them to disclose if they requested data.
            2. uses AWS servers that also the gov could ask for access to Amazon directly without even talking to Signal, being centralized and depending on AWS infra is also a weakness.
            3. needing phone numbers to register, often tied to passport and it is super easy to get your whole network when compromising 1 device
            4. all centralized services start nice, attracting users, once they have you, and money starts being a problem… meet: enshitification
            • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
              22·
              2 days ago

              1. If they were leaking there would be prosecutors using the evidence in court, on the public record.

              2. It doesn’t matter what infrastructure that they use because the service provides end to end encryption. This remains secure even if a third party is able to record all of the traffic between the two devices.

              3. Has there ever been a single instance where a Signal client had a RCE exploit? Of all of the software on your phone likely to be exploited, signal is low on the list (your browser is where they get you).

              4. Enshittification is a reason to leave, speculation about maybe possible enshittification in the future is not.

        • tkr@jlai.lu
          1·
          2 days ago

          we’re not classic, we’re advanced nerds engineers : signal is one church without any interoperability, so we’ve moved to both SIP and XMPP variants using differents provider in the family : everything is decentralized, exactly like email (we dont use gafam ones). It’s not that hard to enjoy xmpp, and really decentralized tools, a bit like for SIP (we have several Voip providers here).

        • a Kendrick fan@lemmy.ml
          11·
          2 days ago

          Thanks for sticking it to the Signal shills, I use Telegram and I understand how bad it is but I’d never use signal in a million years

        • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
          0·
          2 days ago

          i mean… it is massively better, but yes it still sucks. but what do you move friends and family to? last i looked into element it was not an option for several reasons, and i don’t think anyone would switch to basically noname apps like simplex or similar, even if they might be decent solutions. i really want the last few contacts i have on whatsapp to move, but i’m not gonna push hard to get them to use signal just to get it enshittified in the near future. also a few switched to telegram, which while not facebook, is not really better mainly because it doesn’t even e2ee by default.

    • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 days ago

      I agree, but am happy that X is losing users to Bluesky, so I don’t try to convert friends and family from Bluesky to Masrodon. I’d rather they start changing other stuff instead that is easier.

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        Oh definitely, Bluesky is far better than twitter. Honestly, seeing the fediverse piss itself over bluesky is annoying, because the alternative is people still on twitter.

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    1·
    2 days ago

    FOSS is definitely not boycotting capitalism, but its still an objectively good thing. I see FOSS work as a way for relatively rich imperial core citizens to give back to the world.

    Definitely do not boycott FOSS projects.

  • thericofactor@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    2 days ago

    From a purely “vote with your wallet” standpoint it doesn’t make sense, because there’s no money paid. However, one might worry about data/information getting in the hands of a fascist/compromised government. So I think people should judge this themselves case by case.

  • ksp [il/lui]@jlai.lu
    0·
    2 days ago

    I get it as an European that it means more to me to consume “locally” and to prioritize services that are European-based. But due to the nature of computers and FOSS, borders are redefined and it is more about ideas and politics rather than physical location. However, computers and servers are also physical and submitted to legislations of countries, we cannot ignore laws such as the Patriot act and the power that the American state can have even on FOSS projects.

    For me the priority is to use software that match my needs; if I have the choice between an American and an European solution, I’ll tend to choose the latter one.

    • fckreddit@lemmy.ml
      0·
      2 days ago

      If you are worried about US laws affecting FOSS projects, it can always be forked, perhaps even be rewritten.

      • ksp [il/lui]@jlai.lu
        0·
        2 days ago

        Of course, but what about the individual behind it, if it is someone who is also against their current government, while having to live in that country? It is tricky to ask how to reconcile the need for EU solutions while encouraging American citizens to fight against their system!

        • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          FOSS devs can do FOSS work only because of the relative luxury conditions of their imperial core countries, which comes at the expense of global south countries.

          In other words, they can do that because their countries imperialist relations with the global south, this is the reason that most FOSS projects come from the US and Europe.

          In some way FOSS work is a way for these people to give back to the world, i think its fine to donate to these projects regardless of their location.

  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
    0·
    2 days ago

    Agree with the main point, though disagree that FOSS is “boycotting capitalism”, many for-profit companies contribute to FOSS and FOSS can be used by for-profit companies too, much of today’s capitalism runs on FOSS.

    The point of free software is that it does not have owners, so what exactly are you “boycotting”?

    • endofline@lemmy.caEnglish
      0·
      2 days ago

      Tell it to the Russian Linux devs that foss has no owners :-) Theory and practice are 2 different things

      • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de
        0·
        2 days ago

        FOSS doesn’t mean that you are entitled to a place at the table or that your contributions have to be accepted. Nothing prevents these Russian devs from continuing to to work on the kernel.

        • anar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          0·
          2 days ago

          Pretty sure American laws explicitly prevent them from working on the Kernel. It’s stupid but that’s what happened iirc

          • m532@lemmygrad.ml
            1·
            5 hours ago

            And that’s the funny thing: linus is somewhere in europe, yet burgerlander laws apply because the politicians and media in all of europe are all puppets of usa

          • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
            1·
            20 hours ago

            US laws prevented them from contributing while employed in a sanctioned company. Sucky situation for those individuals.

  • sith@lemmy.zipEnglish
    0·
    2 days ago

    Totally agree. The majority of Americans are great people. Not everyone is MAGA. We need to support the good ones. Sanctions and boycotts tend to unite.

    One exception would be if the project imposse a security risk because key people and servers, within the US, may be blackmailed or pushed by the new administration. We’re not there yet though. And I hope these projects and people migrate if this becomes the case.

    Also, FOSS projects run by big tech are probably also wise to avoid for strategic reasons.

    • kingthrillgore@lemmy.ml
      01·
      2 days ago

      Totally agree. The majority of Americans are great people.

      Not choosing to vote or speak is endorsing the establishment. We are not great people. We are dumbfucks.

    • Engywuck@lemm.ee
      24·
      2 days ago

      I think OP means that one shouldn’t boycott FOSS projects just because they are from USA. That said, I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

      • not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
        4·
        1 day ago

        you seem to hold your individual freedoms high, there is a kind of software i think you’ll really like

        • Engywuck@lemm.ee
          07·
          1 day ago

          You seem to wanting to school me about what my preference should be. I’ll happily block you. Bye.

          • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
            6·
            19 hours ago

            They were just pointing out that saying “my PC my rules” is pretty funny when you advocate for closed source software on it. Your PC their rules.

            Obviously it was tongue in cheek so chill.

            • Engywuck@lemm.ee
              11·
              10 hours ago

              That was a shitty reply with paternalistic attitude. The kind of fundamentalist attitude which alienates people from some communities. I use Linux and FOSS exclusively since decades, but if I happily fire up a VM to use some CS software that is only available for Windows, if that allows me to do my job better or faster. I don’t need some stranger in the internet telling me that my workflow is broken because of “principles”. These people better stay in my block list.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

        …he said, without a hint of irony.

        Meanwhile, “my PC, my LAN, my rules” is precisely the reason I do agree with always preferring FOSS to corporate software.