Yeah. Guy does a few Nazi things and anti-Semitic things a few years ago and he has to live with that reputation forever?
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And come on, why are you living in the past? Just because Kanye straight off said some Nazi shit every few months? Dude, separate the art from the artist!
Oh, and Kevin Spacey did a bit of rape back then. But it was so long ago!
And while we’re here, Bill Cosby drugged those girls in the 70s. Like my dude, who wasn’t a little edgy back then?
And indeed, it does seem to be a Vetements piece he’s wearing. I could not however find the exact outfit, but those are the Georgian designer’s signature, in Georgian letters, which can be compared here:
In looking through some videos from that era, he is wearing multiple articles of clothing from Vetements which tracks. So it’s not a one off piece of clothing he was wearing from that company.
As for the cross, it is a design used in Georgia, including on their traditional flags:
Is there an avenue to getting off the hook? Apologizing and not doing it again? Or does he lose everything for the rest of his life?
For context, I barely know who pewdiepie is. I just have to imagine that when public figures fuck up, maybe there’s a spectrum of available consequences other than “they must lose their job and never been spoken of again.”
I think your original argument just wasn’t fully fleshed out. Seems you don’t like the guy for a lot more reason than the one you gave, which might be legitimate.
Do you believe in rehabilitation? I think its admirable for someone to overcome their shortcomings. Especially considering that we are all products of our environments.
To my understanding he apologized for the horrific things he said in the past and is attempting to better himself as a person. I don’t see him continuing to be a problematic person.
As we watch Kanye, Asmongold, [random influencer] continues to say and encourage their fan base to believe in the most terrible shit…
Remember that if their actions start affecting too much of their pocketbook, they can just apologize. Oh, and pay PR shills to clean up their mess.
PewDiePie spent years putting that belief out in many different ways. What you saw in the news was just what was reported. There’s no remorse. Just a “Well sorry that happened”.
Here is the thing with Asmondgold. He apologized for calling Palestinians subhuman, then went on to say right after that voices for Palestinians deserve what’s coming to them and a bunch of other horrendous shit.
From what I understand Pewdiepie hasn’t been problematic since the bridge incident. So it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
Do you have any evidence that he’s made an effort to make up for his behavior that goes beyond words? This is an honest question, I never followed him because of random happenstance, so I don’t know.
I stopped following him after the incident like many, so I am also unsure. I could be misinformed, but I haven’t heard of any controversies since then.
I am sympathetic because I was once a conservative due to my upbringing. But after moving out and experiencing the world, I have gotten more and more progressive. I shutter at shit I used to say, but can’t change the past. I can only focus on bettering myself for the future.
I understand. I grew up a fundamentalist Pentecostal. It’s taken a lot of time and growth to move past that, and I’ve been an ass and had to make up for it.
My problem is mostly that celebrities have a lot of influence and power that they don’t treat with the proper level of respect. If you have an audience of millions, you should consider the example you set. It’s part of the price of choosing to be a celebrity as your job.
This guy is responsible for contributing to a lot of cultural miasma- making up for that takes more effort than apologizing. It requires actual growth and an effort to make amends. You have to not just change, but try to fix the things you broke and help the people you hurt.
A lot of celebrities will performatively apologize, but not do anything and that’s really annoying.
Yup. We see this with StopKillingGames too where it is “Well. So what if asmongold literally advocated for genocide and ethnic cleansing? He is on our side and that is what is most important!”.
pewdiepie I think mostly fell off the past few years so no idea if he has shown any sign of growth. But it is still a GREAT message to say “Racism is less important than my OS of choice”
Just to be clear: if someone has actively shown growth then I am all for them moving past shit (obviously the amount of growth required depends on the level of shitty before but). James Gunn being kind of the poster child for that where he was an edgelord dipshit when he was younger. But every time that comes up, almost everyone around him makes it clear that he has grown significantly and he owns up to it every time.
Like… look at idubbz. I, and many others, aren’t sure if we can ever actually “forgive” him considering how much abuse we received because of people directly quoting his hate. But he also (at least briefly. Not sure what he has done since) made it a big point of actually APOLOGIZING. And… getting a lot of shit and hatred from other youtubers who refuse to apologize for their shittiness for whatever reason (shoutout to moistcritical for breaking his apolitical stance to aggressively insist Ian didn’t need to apologize for slurs and bigotry…).
Contrast that with “he said the N word a lot a few years back but hasn’t done it recently” with no indication beyond that.
Idubbbz is a perfect example of how to apologize and actually repent. He’s been outspoken about how destructive his old behavior was, and has lost a big chunk of his viewer base over it.
From what I’ve seen, PewDiePie has done nothing close to that.
I don’t claim to know him but I think he was a foolish kid who is now learning the error of his ways. He never struck me as someone who was intentionally malicious but rather someone who is very uninformed and didn’t realize it. He said it once in a stream, he used it to mean basically “asshole” when someone killed him. I’m sure he knew it was racist, but he probably didn’t know the WHY to why it was or the real cultural significance it has in the US, he’s swedish, he’s so far removed from American culture. And I don’t think he realized the impact of saying that and some of his other comments had on his young impressionable fans.
It SEEMS like he’s becoming more politically left leaning and has unlearned some of his bias he had in the past. I don’t know for sure but I hope he has.
i don’t really know if the linux community should be claiming the guy who casually drops the n word like he breathes air as our guy.
edit: JESUS FUCK y’all have too much time on your hands
FFS, it was years ago, no one is claiming him as “our guy”, and he’s an extremely influential person so just take the win.
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Yeah. Guy does a few Nazi things and anti-Semitic things a few years ago and he has to live with that reputation forever? . And come on, why are you living in the past? Just because Kanye straight off said some Nazi shit every few months? Dude, separate the art from the artist!
Oh, and Kevin Spacey did a bit of rape back then. But it was so long ago!
And while we’re here, Bill Cosby drugged those girls in the 70s. Like my dude, who wasn’t a little edgy back then?
Yes, because those are all equivalent situations
You’re going to equate a word with being a Nazi and rape? Using a racial slur is literally a small subset of being a Nazi.
If you think calling people Jews was the big issue with the Nazis, well…
Didn’t the dude literally dress up like a Nazi as a joke? Or am I misremembering.
You’re not misremembering.
He had a team scrub that off the internet and now a bunch of people have been gaslit.
Ok thanks… I can picture it in my head so I was confused when people here were so focused on the iron cross thing.
I’m not that familiar, tbh.
So I decided to look up the article, and see what the defense was.
Here’s the article: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Screen-Shot-2019-09-19-at-16.04.33.jpg
And indeed, it does seem to be a Vetements piece he’s wearing. I could not however find the exact outfit, but those are the Georgian designer’s signature, in Georgian letters, which can be compared here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demna_(designer)
In looking through some videos from that era, he is wearing multiple articles of clothing from Vetements which tracks. So it’s not a one off piece of clothing he was wearing from that company.
As for the cross, it is a design used in Georgia, including on their traditional flags:
And it is known as a Bolnisi Cross
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolnisi_cross
And can even be found in ancient Georgian architecture, specifically with a circle around it:
It is similar to the German iron cross, except the iron cross always has white or iron bolding, which the Bolnisi Cross does not
(You can compare them in these search results: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=fpas&q=german+iron+cross&ia=images&iax=images)
PewDiePie’s PR machine got you so good you’re defending a multimillionaire for his BS.
Nah, I just actually look up claims rather than taking them at face value, and live in Europe.
Nah I’m saying you say racist shit, you don’t get off the hook.
Is there an avenue to getting off the hook? Apologizing and not doing it again? Or does he lose everything for the rest of his life?
For context, I barely know who pewdiepie is. I just have to imagine that when public figures fuck up, maybe there’s a spectrum of available consequences other than “they must lose their job and never been spoken of again.”
He didn’t really apologize at all. He brushed it off, moved on, and then everyone pretended like it didn’t exist.
His PR machine worked hard to clean up his mess.
Imagine if JK Rowling’s got quiet then two years later, came back and everyone gaslight you into saying they just went through a phase.
And yet, I’m the one getting heavily down voted.
Thanks for the context. I read your comment as “you don’t get off the hook ever” which is not what you said.
Damn, so according to you anyone who played COD or Halo back in the day should also be banished from society?
I think your original argument just wasn’t fully fleshed out. Seems you don’t like the guy for a lot more reason than the one you gave, which might be legitimate.
I was thinking QtPie, who is a much nicer person.
Pretty sure PewDiePie is an ass, but “he said a racial slur once ten years ago” isn’t a great argument against anyone, generally.
For what it’s worth, Kevin Spacey has not been found guilty of anything. He was found not liable in New York and acquitted in the UK.
Was it a repeated occurrence?
No, and he apologized
Serious question.
Do you believe in rehabilitation? I think its admirable for someone to overcome their shortcomings. Especially considering that we are all products of our environments.
To my understanding he apologized for the horrific things he said in the past and is attempting to better himself as a person. I don’t see him continuing to be a problematic person.
Who here hasn’t said or done regrettable things?
As we watch Kanye, Asmongold, [random influencer] continues to say and encourage their fan base to believe in the most terrible shit…
Remember that if their actions start affecting too much of their pocketbook, they can just apologize. Oh, and pay PR shills to clean up their mess.
PewDiePie spent years putting that belief out in many different ways. What you saw in the news was just what was reported. There’s no remorse. Just a “Well sorry that happened”.
Here is the thing with Asmondgold. He apologized for calling Palestinians subhuman, then went on to say right after that voices for Palestinians deserve what’s coming to them and a bunch of other horrendous shit.
From what I understand Pewdiepie hasn’t been problematic since the bridge incident. So it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
Do you have any evidence that he’s made an effort to make up for his behavior that goes beyond words? This is an honest question, I never followed him because of random happenstance, so I don’t know.
I stopped following him after the incident like many, so I am also unsure. I could be misinformed, but I haven’t heard of any controversies since then.
I am sympathetic because I was once a conservative due to my upbringing. But after moving out and experiencing the world, I have gotten more and more progressive. I shutter at shit I used to say, but can’t change the past. I can only focus on bettering myself for the future.
I understand. I grew up a fundamentalist Pentecostal. It’s taken a lot of time and growth to move past that, and I’ve been an ass and had to make up for it.
My problem is mostly that celebrities have a lot of influence and power that they don’t treat with the proper level of respect. If you have an audience of millions, you should consider the example you set. It’s part of the price of choosing to be a celebrity as your job.
This guy is responsible for contributing to a lot of cultural miasma- making up for that takes more effort than apologizing. It requires actual growth and an effort to make amends. You have to not just change, but try to fix the things you broke and help the people you hurt.
A lot of celebrities will performatively apologize, but not do anything and that’s really annoying.
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Yup. We see this with StopKillingGames too where it is “Well. So what if asmongold literally advocated for genocide and ethnic cleansing? He is on our side and that is what is most important!”.
pewdiepie I think mostly fell off the past few years so no idea if he has shown any sign of growth. But it is still a GREAT message to say “Racism is less important than my OS of choice”
Pretty much. The whole “Internet is forever” doesn’t mean shit if you can be a dick and then throw money to PR fix your reputation.
Just to be clear: if someone has actively shown growth then I am all for them moving past shit (obviously the amount of growth required depends on the level of shitty before but). James Gunn being kind of the poster child for that where he was an edgelord dipshit when he was younger. But every time that comes up, almost everyone around him makes it clear that he has grown significantly and he owns up to it every time.
Like… look at idubbz. I, and many others, aren’t sure if we can ever actually “forgive” him considering how much abuse we received because of people directly quoting his hate. But he also (at least briefly. Not sure what he has done since) made it a big point of actually APOLOGIZING. And… getting a lot of shit and hatred from other youtubers who refuse to apologize for their shittiness for whatever reason (shoutout to moistcritical for breaking his apolitical stance to aggressively insist Ian didn’t need to apologize for slurs and bigotry…).
Contrast that with “he said the N word a lot a few years back but hasn’t done it recently” with no indication beyond that.
Idubbbz is a perfect example of how to apologize and actually repent. He’s been outspoken about how destructive his old behavior was, and has lost a big chunk of his viewer base over it.
From what I’ve seen, PewDiePie has done nothing close to that.
He did give multiple apologies for using it tho and as far as I’ve known hasn’t used the word in many years
I don’t claim to know him but I think he was a foolish kid who is now learning the error of his ways. He never struck me as someone who was intentionally malicious but rather someone who is very uninformed and didn’t realize it. He said it once in a stream, he used it to mean basically “asshole” when someone killed him. I’m sure he knew it was racist, but he probably didn’t know the WHY to why it was or the real cultural significance it has in the US, he’s swedish, he’s so far removed from American culture. And I don’t think he realized the impact of saying that and some of his other comments had on his young impressionable fans.
It SEEMS like he’s becoming more politically left leaning and has unlearned some of his bias he had in the past. I don’t know for sure but I hope he has.
I was gonna say, isn’t he a shithead? I don’t really know. Maybe he grew up.
Edit: sounds like he apologized, good for him!
🍿oh this comment section the good stuff.