The different communities on Piefed are still separated within the post. You can still see which community you would be replying to

Piefed groups comment boxes from crossposts into one post. So no matter which crosspost you’re looking at, you’ll see all responses.

‘Hey the word Trump isn’t allowed, but I can see you were using the word ‘trump card’ and not talking about Donald Trump so I’ll use my brain and allow it”

I can easily imagine automated systems that carved out the usage of “Trump card” as an expression as an exception to a block on a “Trump” rule.

“We don’t allow accounts with a low karma amount to post, because it could be indicative of a spam/bot account but I can see your comment isn’t either of those so I’ll use my brain and allow it.

This one is onerous demands to large traffic communities in the event they feel they need to filter out new accounts.

https://piefed.social/modlog

You will see it on community sidebars.

I can’t fathom why its so important for some to be able to freely hurl abuse on online platforms.

That really seems to be all its about here.

Moreover, I’d also suggest that the reason a lemmy instance of this nature does not exist is because there’s no need for it for them. There are already sites that allow them to do this. Why would people of this nature be drawn to the style of Lemmy or Piefed? The entire structure of the Reddit-clone is built around curation and filtering.

I don’t see a TOC on their frontpage

hilariouschaos

I just see it being a repetitive, boring troll infested collection of communities

The modlogs should give some insight into how much demand there is for instances that won’t censor people.

Well, maybe, but given how a massive chunk of the modlog that you refer to here are just people having their posts removed for hurling abuse, making threats etc. How do you think those types, blacklisted from the ‘censored’ fediverse clustering all together on a single ‘free speech’ instance would go?

The fediverse as a whole is still tiny, so it may seem that getting defederated from the established instances is a death knell, but it isn’t.

If there’s enough people who want ‘free speech’ instances, they can easily organise if the numbers are supposedly there.

I know. People are afraid to make them out of fear of defederation.

So there’s clearly not enough of a local audience for it. I know many instances have specific political bias that preclude certain arguments fron being advanced to varying degrees (such as lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, lemmy.dbzer0 etc) but there are also many general use instances amongst them, that are not defederated that really only ban people for hurling slurs and being abusive.

There’s hardly any instances of any kind of size that aren’t ‘heavily censored’ (so to speak)

It’s a risk I’d rather take, than letting automation make this another reddit where all the big communities are managed by algorithms.

That’s not fair on other people. It’s also just not viable. I doubt almost any moderators would support not doing this.

Moreover, there already exist self-hosted bots that already autoremove content on the Fediverse. It is already happening de facto.

A human could see a post was only 49/50 words and apply their judgement to know that this post is acceptable because the quality of what was said was more important than the quantity.

I wasn’t specifically talking about that kind of automodding. I’m not sure if that is needed, except maybe in specific long-form debate/discussion communities. I don’t think that level of automodding is a priority, to be sure.

A human could see the word trumpcard was in fact not about Trump.

Yes, there could be false positives. I’m sure that if a community did have a “Trump” filter they could specify it only to notice “Trump” when posted as a single word.

But I was also more thinking about autoremoving slur posts and comments here.

If the price to pay to be moderated by humans and not algorithms is that obscenely large communities can’t exist, than we should be pushing for human sized communities.

A community would not even need to be obscenely large in order to not become a moderating chore without some level of automod functionality.

This would just burnout moderators on a highly active communities. My preference is not have these tools work after-the-fact, after-the-post but simply tell the would-be poster that their post has hit a keyword block. But basic stuff like mandating all posts be link posts or text posts (depending on the communities focus) or instantly removing duplicate posts seem pretty necessary for many communities if the fediverse expands in population.

Account didn’t get enough updoots from strangers prior to posting? Goodbye post.

Now this one, I admit is a tough one - as it can be harsh to new users. But it’s simply based on trying to deal with spam posters. As the Fediverse grows, the high-trust public nature of downvoting, public post histories and public mod-logs should negate people wanting this.

Without automod functionality, every single community of notable size becomes utterly bombarded with off-topic posts and spam.

I made a post on this some weeks back. Whether it would be through an ‘automod’ bot (ideally not, in my opinion) - or community settings preventing posts from even going out is another matter.

• Automatic removal option to remove posts and/or comments for specific keywords. This would be most useful for automatically removing posts and comments when people slur. Piefed already has a keyword filter for visibility. This could be expanded to community settings. Have it also fire-off a report to the moderators when someone triggers it.
• Automatic URL removal. Allow communities to blacklist specific urls. Useful for politics or news communities that want to negate sources known for misinformation.
• Automatic removal for repeat URL posting. Very useful for politics or news communities to prevent double-posting.
• Make it so a community can set itself up to only accept text posts, video posts, or image posts. This should prevent tedious janitorial cleanup for communities that only allow links, or text posts (the most common two).
• Post Delay Restrictions. Some communities, perhaps not many, might be interested in posting cooldowns for users. So you can only post 1 post every hour, or 2 posts every hour - or whatever the chosen limit is. This would help negate spammers and over-enthusiastic posters flooding a topical community.
• Post Formatting Requirements. This one could be trickier and more effort than most of the others, but setting conditions for the formatting of new posts would be useful.

Yes, and no. If you want to run specific community types - it might be better to be on a more ‘general’ or topical instance rather than a community geographically relevant to your country.

Moreover, some national instances don’t have Piefed equivalents yet.

That would mitigate it. It sounds fun, but I don’t necessarily think it would negate drama lol

I think this shifts additional burden onto community moderators who don’t want that kind of behaviour in their community.

Also ideally, some type of upvote/downvote system would bury said post after enough people downvoted it.

This possibly would happen, of course.

I don’t think that’s a fair thing to add on a Reddit-like site. You’re posting to a community stewarded by other people. It means people could post highly controversial and objectionable opinions and then just pre-emptively de-facto lock the thread, preventing others from engaging with it. It sort of has the same consequences as the block function on Reddit has now where you can just block the other account replying to you to force the last word.

Now in the event that Lemmy/Piefed incorporates profile posting, self-posting, then absolutely - that sort of screening makes sense.

This sounds amazing but also prepare for absolute chaos. People would also still post their grievances to PTB in order to get others to 1 star it as well.

Also people would brigade it