You seem to be confusing communism & socialism for capitalism, which kills orders of magnitude more people. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603

And for all your fiery moralism, I don’t think you actually care about any of the people you’ve claimed to. I think they’re crocodile tears for preserving the status quo—the imperial core’s capitalism & imperialism—which you feel you benefit from.

Hand waves hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths away

The besieged fascists could have released the civilians at any time but instead held them hostage.

Strange they fought so hard against fascists just to become one themselves?

Given that fascism is definitionally a bourgeois tool against the proletariat, that didn’t happen.

When you buy into a nation’s propaganda you might as well just check out of any rational conversation about them.

You seem to be bought into the imperial core’s propaganda. I get it: most of us used to be, too. I wouldn’t attribute it to irrationality, though.

when you deny the Uyghur genocide

We deny it because it simply isn’t true and not for any other reason. We also deny the genocide of white South Africans, as I’m sure you do as well. The “Uyghur genocide” story was fabricated by the US after its attempts to destabilize the Xinjiang region failed[1][2].

What I said is that Marx and his allies didn’t believe that it was possible to FORCE Communism into place

If that’s what you meant, then yes, that’s more-or-less correct. You can try to steer a ship, but you can’t make it do the impossible.

(not that anyone in Earth is actually doing capitalism either)

I’d rather not see what’s under this log, so I’ll leave it be.

Yes because tankies are wicked, tricksy and false.

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Like when they starved 150,000+ of their citizens to death in the Siege of Changchun?

You’re right, they should have just laid down arms and let the fascist KMT slaughter them and run the country like Mussolini or Hirohito might have.

Maybe their rebels had real reasons and not just western propaganda.

There’s no maybe about it. You can read and hear their real reasons: they wrote them down and recorded them on tape. Go find them and see who & what you’re trying to defend.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo6cs0_URL0
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7bE1uZpzbU
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKVXi5aW3h8

Not sure why you are so butthurt about the truth.

I’m not? The truth is what happened, not what might have happened. As for what might have happened, there would have been no violence at all if US hadn’t been there to instigate it.

I have no idea what you think that proves or disproves about the straw man argument in your head.

There was no massacre, but they also fail to realize there could have been one if things had gone differently that day.

We’re acutely aware of what would have happened if Gene Sharp, the CIA, and the goons they armed, funded, and trained had been successful.

The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

Right? We get to this place only after having exhausted all other options, not for bloodlust or a “will to power” or whatever-the-fuck horseshoe theory straw men people make up in their heads. The Paris Commune and other methods have all failed, and to this day no other method has been successful.

There’s an endless supply of confidently incorrect Redditors who can’t help but libsplain things they know nothing about.

😂

I’d wager half or more of the tankie posts are bots, paid posters in 3rd world countries, or slave labor in 3rd world countries.

And yet no Lemmy admin will take your wager, because they have access to way more information than you do, and they don’t see evidence to support it.

Marx and his allies believed Communism can’t come about by force, only by natural progression following the unavoidable natural collapse of capitalism.

Anyone who’s done even a Marxism 101 amount of reading knows this to be false. Neither Marx, Engels, Lenin, or any other major figures said that nature will just inevitably take its course all on its own. All of them were revolutionaries who advocated for influencing its course, not standing idly by.

The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it. — Marx

Cool. Thanks for the firehose of downvotes, stalwart patriot.

Wow, one of the twenty-odd links isn’t from a Western source? Must be a foreign secret agent!

Deeply unserious.

These kinds of answers are just the silliest. If you don’t know why we think the things we do—which you obviously don’t—then don’t “contribute” to the conversation with the first thing that pops into your head. It’s okay to not know things.

I’ll spare people a wall of text and just drop a couple of links for those interested: [1] [2]

No. The great majority of MLs on Lemmy were born, raised, and still live in the imperial core, just like most other people on Lemmy. We got the same education, indoctrination, and propaganda as everyone else, so most of us started out as liberals with largely the same beliefs as everyone else. We believed all the same Cold War propaganda as everyone else. Investigating and peeling away the layers of propaganda and lies is actually a long, slow, and not particularly pleasant, effort.

Cool story.