You can’t choose what order channels are in, for one thing

This is a great quote for soulists. Yesterday we destroyed the natural order of race. Today we are destroying the natural order of gender. Tomorrow we will destroy the natural order of species. One day people will realise that every law of nature is artificial.

FYI they have tools that tell them all the downvotes you’ve ever sent in that community, so if you saw one bad post a month and downvoted it without knowing it’s AI, their tools will make it look like you’re a “downvote troll”, whatever that means.

Being right some of the time doesn’t mean they’re right all the time. Cops arrest drunk drivers and domestic abusers sometimes, but that doesn’t mean they can be trusted when they turn their bodycams off and ask us to trust their interpretation of an event. Mods do not wield the same power as cops, but I believe the analogy holds water with regards to the issue of trust.

After seeing all the times they labelled someone a troll just for downvoting posts they don’t like, I don’t trust their judgement. I think they’re too close to the issue. It strikes Me as paranoia. Nobody is making an alt account so they can downvote one post every couple of months, it just doesn’t fit the pattern the mods say is there.

With a community like Imaginary Witches, a lot of people like seeing cool drawings of witches, as long as they’re by a talented artist. A user might see an AI generated witch as a detriment to the Imaginary Witches community they want to see. Or they might not even realise it’s AI, and just downvote it for being poorly drawn in their opinion. So it makes a lot of sense not to block a community when you’ve only ever seen four bad posts from it over the past ten months.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48662871

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521

TL;DR: The dbzer0 community decided to start banning people for downvoting AI generated posts. They said they’d only ban people who come to a community and do mass downvotes, but Ace T’Ken downvoted four AI posts that showed up in the feed across a period of ten months, and was still banned from several communities by a prominent dbzer0 mod. There was also a side plot involving some person or group of people impersonating every major actor involved in the drama, which is why so many comments in the thread are removed.

There were several other drama threads related to the voting bans:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/50067209

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/46410988

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49344640

I remember a few more discussions from back when all this was new, but didn’t have as easy a time finding them.

I haven’t experienced that personally but I trust you with My life, SatansMaggotyCumFart. You’ve always been right about these things before.

But doctor, I am Pagliacci!

dbzer0 definitely has a problem with banning people for voting

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/einstein-showed-newton-was-wrong-about-gravity-now-scientists-are-ncna1038671

Einstein showed Newton was wrong about gravity

I find it quite sad that you don’t believe chocolate tastes good. I do, and the fact brings Me happiness, despite its subjectivity.

The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It’s the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You’re less reality. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven’t gone far enough yet.

Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it’s not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus “escaped”.

So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity’s fakeness isn’t that important.

True, but that doesn’t make gravity all good. It puts gravity on about the same ethical standing as an abusive parent. If we can find a way to improve gravity, we should do it.

I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I’m glad the Wright brothers didn’t), but there are other “natural, inescapable laws” that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won’t be one of those people.

For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a “natural, inescapable law”. And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a “natural, inescapable law”, and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

Not much. Oxygen is much lower on the list of priorities than capitalism and pluralphobia.

I do not believe the founding principles of MULTIVERSE are representative of the mainstream left, but you’re welcome to avoid our instance and users if you choose.

Many soulists believe in two different branches of soulist thought: scientific soulism and spiritual soulism. I disagree, I think magic is a science and spirituality can be a technology. But there are soulists who reject spiritual means of changing our perceptions, and there are spiritual soulists who do not use the scientific method. So to answer your question: sometimes.