But again, you seem to just lurch between “mob violence” and what sounds to me like “the hierarchies we have”, and imagine that these are like two inevitable and distinct outcomes.
Again, I don’t see smaller groups of people deciding for themselves what justice means as scarier or worse than what we have, and really I think it’s ridiculous to argue otherwise. Signalling poor awareness of what the world is like, or a borderline-paranoid misunderstanding of what most folks are like. Or something.
The question and useful discussion is “so how to make better things for all of us?”, not “what if worst case version of other_idea is somehow even fucking worse than alllllll this?”
It’s just a useless and silly premise. Self-defeating. Worse, everyone-defeating.
What we have is indefensible. It can’t be defended, it’s beyond the pale, that’s the end of that discussion for me. But “oh no what if other_thing…”
Well. We’re over here saying “what if”, not like you though.
I will say I enjoy the slow unpacking of ideas, this has been roughly what I like about Lemmy mostly, and I don’t intend to be an asshole, really. I do feel pretty strongly about things, and I don’t have a lot of patience for shallow critical takes amounting to “what if mob violence”.
“What if we keep this?” There’s a softball.
Again. It’s not hypothetical. Its ruinous. That’s the crucial distinction, what we have is ruinous, not a preferred choice among whatever you’re imagining as alternatives. The “elites” have abandoned humanity in favor of their own fantasy of someday eking out some version of isolated luxury (note, this is corroborated by an article by an experienced sex worker attending I think most recent Davos - event? The dickhead Olympics I guess?).
Instead of accepting that they have to share and stop working strictly toward their own ends. Not all of them think precisely that way, but they all have roughly the same ideas and plans for all of us.
It’s that simple. They’ve been doing that, they’re doing it, we’re seeing what happens by them doing it. It’s as evident as the sky being blue.
I’ll expand a bit because I’ve got some time now.
But again, you seem to just lurch between “mob violence” and what sounds to me like “the hierarchies we have”, and imagine that these are like two inevitable and distinct outcomes.
Again, I don’t see smaller groups of people deciding for themselves what justice means as scarier or worse than what we have, and really I think it’s ridiculous to argue otherwise. Signalling poor awareness of what the world is like, or a borderline-paranoid misunderstanding of what most folks are like. Or something.
The question and useful discussion is “so how to make better things for all of us?”, not “what if worst case version of other_idea is somehow even fucking worse than alllllll this?”
It’s just a useless and silly premise. Self-defeating. Worse, everyone-defeating.
What we have is indefensible. It can’t be defended, it’s beyond the pale, that’s the end of that discussion for me. But “oh no what if other_thing…”
Well. We’re over here saying “what if”, not like you though.
I will say I enjoy the slow unpacking of ideas, this has been roughly what I like about Lemmy mostly, and I don’t intend to be an asshole, really. I do feel pretty strongly about things, and I don’t have a lot of patience for shallow critical takes amounting to “what if mob violence”.
“What if we keep this?” There’s a softball.
Again. It’s not hypothetical. Its ruinous. That’s the crucial distinction, what we have is ruinous, not a preferred choice among whatever you’re imagining as alternatives. The “elites” have abandoned humanity in favor of their own fantasy of someday eking out some version of isolated luxury (note, this is corroborated by an article by an experienced sex worker attending I think most recent Davos - event? The dickhead Olympics I guess?).
Instead of accepting that they have to share and stop working strictly toward their own ends. Not all of them think precisely that way, but they all have roughly the same ideas and plans for all of us.
It’s that simple. They’ve been doing that, they’re doing it, we’re seeing what happens by them doing it. It’s as evident as the sky being blue.
“What if mob violence”. Right. So scary.