• Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I remember saving the whales. When I was a kid in the early 90s they had several cartoons that at least had one episode where they needed to save some whales, and they did. The first that comes to mind is Widget the World Watcher.

    Just like saving the ozone layer. That was another great success. Due to banning CFCs and other ozone destroying chemicals, the hole in the ozone layer has been repairing itself for around 10 years now. It’ll take a while to fully close up, but it is a success.

    • BalderSion@real.lemmy.fan
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      2 months ago

      In the 80’s and 90’s there was strong undercurrent that activism couldn’t actually change anything. It was the end of history, all outcomes are and always were inevitable, voting with dollars was the only vote that really matters. Hippy punching was in it’s full flower. Environmentalism was seen as self indulgent and meaningless. “Save the whales,” was spit out as a sort of, ‘go waste someone else’s time,’ dismissal.

      The 4th Dilbert collection from 94’ was Shave the Whales, which already struck me as a passe gesture at hippy punching at the time, though I couldn’t tell if Scott Adams was engaging in hippy punching or mocking the hippy punchers.

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        2 months ago

        Mormons think that native Americans are Jewish because some Jewish people made an airtight submarine out of wood and took it across the ocean. I always thought of that airtight submarine as a fake whale when I was growing up.

  • grue@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Is it really the biggest story in conservation? I would have guessed fixing the hole in the ozone layer would’ve held that spot.

      • Seefin@lemmy.world
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        It is a massive success, primarily because by the time the Montreal Protocol was fully ratified it was more profitable to not use CFCs.

        However, speaking as someone who lives at the bottom of the world in the country with the highest melanoma risk in the world we didn’t actually fix it. We stopped the holes in the ozone layer growing and saw some recovery, with the hole over the Northern Hemisphere predicted to close by 2030-ish and ours by 2060-ish, but it’s nowhere near fixed.

        And since about 2013 we’ve seen a massive increase in CFC emissions again, so the Southern Hemisphere hole is probably pushing out to 2070-ish. Not that any scientific research has definitively stated that yet, it’s mostly non-committal. The majority of these new emissions have been traced to countries that didn’t have to get rid of those specific CFCs until 2010, so it’s a good indicator that those countries may view the Montreal Protocol differently in the new millennium than they did in the 80s. Or it indicates that it’s taking them longer to cease usage than predicted. Hard to tell really.

        So to say “It’s fixed!” is a little hopeful. The problem still exists, and effects are still being felt, but there’s nothing you or I can do - hence the common narrative, especially in the North, that all the hard work was done in the 80s and we’re good now.