Libs thinking we’re on their side, until the point we reject electoralism and US imperialist propaganda. Then label as as “tankies”.

Campists thinking we’re on their side until the point we reject “AES” and “left unity”. Then label as a “liberals”.

Anarchists are clearly the rare species of “liberal tankie” 😆

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    What are you talking about? The only currently extant anarchish communities are in places where states are weak. Anarchists in places with highly centralised states tend to get attacked by everyone, and that’s a serious problem you can’t just vibes away.

    Wars, even ones you win, are a tremendous drain. States tend to suck at fighting non states, but that doesn’t mean it’s conducive to human flourishing for the non state people. States are also moronically optimistic about their ability to “productively” war.

    This isn’t some fringe concern. There’s any number of proposals you can read on anarchists library about how to deal with this.

    It has nothing to do with being failed. If you wanted to start a democratic collective in manorialist times then yes, figuring out how not to get invaded was very important.

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      You’re not saying anything new, anarchism can’t happen in times where the system is strong. It can happen when the system is in crisis if we set the relevant groundwork. And when it does, we can defend ourselves from the likewise weakened states.

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        In part. States have a lot of trouble understanding anything that isn’t as centralised as a state. Consequently state militaries and intelligence agencies are highly specialised towards attacking these targets and going after the infrastructure they depend on.

        When confronted by more horizontally organised structures they tend to get drawn into situations that become long drawn out guerrilla wars. Or playing whackamole with insurgency cells.

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          Afghanistan, and after we destabilized it, Iraq are good examples.

          I wonder if that’s part of why the Taliban reportedly hate having to actually run Afghanistan?

          It’s still a bunch of assholes with guns though, which sucks.

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      Its 5 pm i just woke up and im too tired to argue this shit again. You’re wrong. There are books about why you’re wrong and you’re wrong in most ways from the atomic level up to planetary scale shit. Every part of these ideas is wrong in a frustrating stubborn common way.