OP ignoring actual nazi allies or they don’t count since allies?
Like Italy or Japan or the French that sided with the nazis?
Please ignore the actual allies of the Nazis, we have propaganda to push!
Oh damn it’s almost like the allies refused to sign a deal with the USSR https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/026569149602600303
Ffs there are so many real reasons to criticise the USSR but the allies (non USSR allies) fucking suuuuuucked in ww2. Completely happy to abandon Slavs and Jews to the Nazi war machine in order to shore up their own positions. Arrogant as all fuck about their position, and extremely willing to forgive Nazis and collaborators afterwards.
What the fuck was the USSR meant to actually do? Fight Germany alone selflessly?
Yes. There is never any excuse for helping Nazis. There is no amount of bullshit you can spew to make that OK retrospectively. The Soviets didn’t just make an alliance with the nazis, they used that alliance as a chance to invade and snag vast amounts of land from other countries while Europe was too busy to stop them. This tankie propaganda that they had no other choice is utter bullshit, and it should be called out for the intellectual diarrhea that it is.
Stalin allied with the nazis to enrich the USSR. He, and every other tankie and useful idiot that support his actions, are nothing more than nazi apologist scum who ought to be lined up against the wall with the rest of the fascists. The deaths that the USSR faced when Hitler finally turned against them were well deserved, and I have no pity for filth wiping each other out, because nothing erases the stain of looking at race supremacists and thinking “yeah, I want some of that”.
extremely willing to forgive Nazis and collaborators afterwards
You say that, and yet, here you are, forgiving nazi collaborators.
Ok so the USSR approaches Britain and France saying “jeeze, this Hitler guy who keeps talking about genocide is a bit spooky. Wanna do something about it?” and France and Britain are non commital because they think they’ll be in a better position if they appease Hitler for a while longer.
Poland sinks it, because they’re more freaked out about the USSR than the Nazis who literally want to work them to death as farm animals which is… wild. So the USSR ends up signing a NAP with Nazi Germany, the same stance that everyone not explicitly allied to the Nazis has, agreeing to let them kill whomever they like if only they do it in “their” borders.
Using the time bought they rapidly, and one notes here pretty brutually, industrialise. Fight the everliving shit out of the Nazis once they have an industrial base and support in a war against them (the original fucking goal of the tripple alliance talks). USSR solidiers spill the majority of blood in Europe, theirs and Nazis. They’re not saints, it’s an army.
After the war, when countries like France are busy forgiving police collaborators and giving them their jobs back, the soviets are killing a lot of Nazis.
Stalin sucked in so many real ways, the USSR failed the utopian vision it was founded on in so many real ways. Calling Stalin a Nazi collaborator is just fucking wild. The Nazis were very explicit in their plans to genocide Slavs, that is what triggered the initial talks. Nobody in the USSR was under any illusions as to where they stood with the Nazis, the brutual policies of rapid industrialisation and militarisation were a result of being abandoned by the rest of Europe because the fucking aristocracy running the horror show preferred Nazis to communists.
your argument isn’t any different this time than before. idc if you think stalin was forced into it, he still worked with nazis and that fucking makes him a nazi collaborator. you don’t get to “but, but” about it. don’t give me that bullshit that he didn’t have a choice, lots of people were given the choice and chose death over working with nazis, including a french teenage girl. but go on about how poor widdle stalin couldn’t do what a teenager could.
you make me fucking sick. at least we know what fucking choice YOU’LL make when trump comes knocking on your door to inform on your neighbors.
you make me fucking sick. at least we know what fucking choice YOU’LL make when trump comes knocking on your door to inform on your neighbors.
God damned I wish I had more room in my lemmy bio cause that is hysterical for so many reasons.
You don’t need to jump between binary assessments of people like a demented lib.
What the fuck was the USSR meant to actually do?
Not add “we get to invade Eastern Europe if we feel like it” as a clause in negotiations with the allies.
Very unserious.
Could they have been less self interested in some of the terms? Absolutely. Is there a single nation state that isn’t self interested? no. Maybe that’s why nation States are dogshit ways to organise.
The Polish government, trusting the British one, and choosing to believe that the soviet terms requiring permission to move armies through Poland were a prelude to invasion damned their own people to slaughter at the hands of the Nazis.
I’m sure the rich elites were trying to make the best decision for the citizenry, and not trying to save their own wealth. Government is typically so selfless afterall.
You heard it here first, @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com hates the allies of WW2.
I mean, plenty of reasons to hate the allies. Including, you know, colonialism.
for context, the OP is posting this here as an underhanded dig at dbzer0, which he thinks is run by and full of tankies. he was just perma-banned from c/Libjerk, after posting this with an alt to evade a ban he had on another account. he is quite beside himself because when he posted the accusation thread to the LW tankiejerk, he was mocked and downvoted. or “ratio’d”, as he put it.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/51520539
EDIT: he was also banned today from the LW Tankiejerk comm, as well as several other LW comms, for “vote manipulation”.
Pug banned them? This is like the most pug like user in a long time, tied with cm00002. Oh right pug can’t handle that
Pug banning them is really bizarre, they’re basically a one to one with Pug. Really odd.
That’s what the modlog says. I didn’t check his alts, so idk if it’s just the one, but it was banned for vote manipulation. No idea what banjo did to earn that tho, because he says it’s just because PJ “didn’t like” him.
Considering pug seems to hate everyone it wouldn’t surprise me, especially with ops behavior.
Vote manipulation as the reason though is just hilarious
Well, banjo did get banned by me from Libjerk for being a turbo lib. He then hopped on his alt and posted to our Tankiejerk, where I banned his alt for ban evasion. So I don’t doubt he was up to something, probably double dipping on votes with his alt.
It was actually moreso because crossposting isn’t available on piefed.world yet.
I’ve never automated any voting processes, btw, they just banned me because they don’t like me lmao. The other day I got a screencap of one of the DB0 Tankiejerk mods outing himself as a Tankie, I highly reccomend people use the REAL tankiejerk community.
Literally nothing in that screenshot is supporting your claim, you’re just being insufferable.
He’s so far right, every vaguely progressive person is a Tankie to him.
Yeah I tagged him as a shitlib in Thunder when he was yapping about how Gavin Newsom is somehow beyond criticism the other day.
The DNC’s Chosen is immune to critcism, tankie! He can platform fascists, be transphobic for popularity, and hate the poor because he’s blue! It’s disgusting if he’s Republican, but okay when the DNC allows it.
Right, no, of course being defensive for Tankies and including them in “we” totally isn’t Tankie behavior.
I highly reccomend people use the REAL tankiejerk community.
you mean the one you just got banned from by PugJesus? lol. lmao even.
hey, better luck convincing people we’re tankies on the next thread you go to hatewhine in, little buddy.
Hatewine? Is that like the new “virtue signal” where you’re not allowed to call out hate?
I was in a few of the other posts you made with this… and this behavior is not what i assumed. Why are you here and not in hexbear straddling the line and wasting their time? Also that screenshot doesn’t say shut about anyone’s potential political beliefs.
I love dunking on tankies as much as the next guy, but wtf is this misfire dude?
Because they would tap out immediately after having their flaws in logic pointed out. Or just call them tankies not worth his time like here
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Being a Nazi collaborator is not a contest or something you have to make a ranking. Either you are one or you are not.
Wow! A flippanarchy was the first defender, I’m not surprised but my money was elsewhere.
