Pitch Background I read Johann Hari's Stolen Focus recently - this is really critical reading for anyone developing or running any kind of social media service. One part of it really stuck with me ...
Well I’d say in that case it was a pretty high-level label. Obviously not all left leaning views are the same but many of them are pretty similar in terms of online censorship policy.
I’m not trying to prove you wrong or something, I’m just trying to figure out what you mean… What aspects of “leftism” are you seeing pushed by mastodon?
All politics is ultimately power, the paradox of tolerance prevents an open society from really existing. The question is, do you want to tolerate nazi’s and thus empower them, pushing for nationalism, privatization, and oligarchy, or do you want to push for egalitarianism, fairness, justice, democracy, human rights, sustainability, etc. If you want the latter, you need to at some level be willing to oppose the opponents of those values beyond merely arguing with them. Because as we see with the right in the USA, if they are allowed to gain power, and they don’t even share the basic values of following the rule of law, words on paper we call a constitution won’t do anything. They will actively plan the destruction of the society that tolerated them.
Discussions on matters of “ought” between people who fundamentally do not share the same core values can not come to any shared conclusions based on any additional “is” statements. That’s the is-ought problem. So dialogue is not ultimately the cure to fascism.
Liberals know this about opposing socialists, and do it all the time, but for some reason they draw the line at opposing nazi’s.
What do you mean by leftist here? Like, can you split it up into some actual values or aims, instead of just a high-level label?
Well I’d say in that case it was a pretty high-level label. Obviously not all left leaning views are the same but many of them are pretty similar in terms of online censorship policy.
I’m not trying to prove you wrong or something, I’m just trying to figure out what you mean… What aspects of “leftism” are you seeing pushed by mastodon?
Censorship, double standards and lies.
Censorship other than moderation of hate speech?
What double standards?
What lies?
Moderation of hate speech is censorship if the definition of “hate speech” is wrong (and in their case it is).
Double standards on the above mentioned term and some other ones.
Lies about the absence of double standards and wrong definitions.
TL;DR leftism is a corrupted piece of just technically changed rightism filled with duplicity.
How is the definition wrong?
(My understanding is that it varies a bit between servers)
Their definition is “every opinion different to ours” which in my understanding is ridiculous.
That’s true but overall similar views have similar issues.
That seems like some kind of nonsense you’ve cooked up in your head… I see people arguing about things on mastodon every day.
All politics is ultimately power, the paradox of tolerance prevents an open society from really existing. The question is, do you want to tolerate nazi’s and thus empower them, pushing for nationalism, privatization, and oligarchy, or do you want to push for egalitarianism, fairness, justice, democracy, human rights, sustainability, etc. If you want the latter, you need to at some level be willing to oppose the opponents of those values beyond merely arguing with them. Because as we see with the right in the USA, if they are allowed to gain power, and they don’t even share the basic values of following the rule of law, words on paper we call a constitution won’t do anything. They will actively plan the destruction of the society that tolerated them.
Discussions on matters of “ought” between people who fundamentally do not share the same core values can not come to any shared conclusions based on any additional “is” statements. That’s the is-ought problem. So dialogue is not ultimately the cure to fascism.
Liberals know this about opposing socialists, and do it all the time, but for some reason they draw the line at opposing nazi’s.
Well my opinion on this matter is completely opposite to yours. This does happen from time to time if different people interact with each other.
Also I was personally offended by leftists so uhm I better off just hate them forever tbh.